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Or how about this........does anyone know of a player playing in a tour card qualifier that came in say 3rd or 4th and was not given a free entry for another one. Meaning someone from the IPT actually told them that they DON'T have a free entry.memikey said:Thanks for your answers anyway Jasper.....maybe I didn't explain myself very well .........
My point was and is......IPT said ORIGINALLY in press releases etc and even in ORIGINAL website tournament entry detail pages etc that they would give the usual free future entries for 3-6 place finishers in all the qualifying tournaments for The Wynn....but at some stage they quietly removed that offer and they are not offering those prizes NOW...check out the tournament entry details etc currently on the website.....the wording/press announcement you posted is from several weeks ago.The currently published details of what the prizes actually are seems to be quite different,without announcement of these changes from IPT,similar to how they unilaterally changed the published entry fee for The World Open half way through proceedings.
Unless I am being remarkably stupid (which is definitely possible) in my reading of what is in the IPT site NOW as regards qualification tournament entry and prize details,there are..... NO FREE ENTRIES BEING GIVEN BY IPT TO 3-6 PLACE FINISHERS IN THESE QUALIFIERS FOR THE WYNN.....period.
Would somebody please check the IPT site and tell me whether I am reading this situation right or wrong?
If anyone on this site knows any player who finished let's say 3rd or 4th in a recent qualifier for The Wynn,please ask them if they received a future free entry.I think their answer will be NO but am prepared to be proved wrong,in fact hoping to be proved wrong
jasper said:
Jasper......none of them would ask the IPT for a prize that they are not offerring
.....put in its simplest possible form as follows.....for the last time
......1. There are NO free entries for another future tournament being given by IPT to anyone who finishes in positions 3-6 in any of the 100 qualifying competitions for Las Vegas December.
2 The ONLY players using "free entries" to play in these qualifying competitions are those players who were holding "free entries" won by them in events prior to the current qualifying competitions e.g. World Open.Those "free entries" aren't totally "free entries" anyway as they are only worth $1,500/- at the most (some might be worth only $1,000/- or
$750/- or $500/-) and the players need to make up the difference to $2,000/- via credit card when they enter.
3. The ONLY prizes being given by IPT in any of these qualifying tournaments are the places for Las Vegas awarded to 1st and 2nd and the promise from IPT that 1st and 2nd will also have their air fare and hotel paid for.
4. IPT were advertising on the website the usual free future entry prizes for 3-6 place finishers in the qualifying competitions up until a few weeks ago ( I can't say exactly when) but they then quietly removed the offer and wiped it from the website.They obviously couldn't wipe it from KT's speech which is why you can still hear it there
5. As Jake has hinted,other than as evidence of IPT's propensity to move the goalposts half way through the game,the only people who should have any concern over this are any players who might enter the qualifying competitions in the mistaken belief that there are the usual free entries on offer for 3-6 place finishers.
6. The only other significance this information has is to the many people who seem to be speculating that the entrants in most of the qualifying competitions are doing so using free entries won in a prevous week of the same qualifying.Clearly they are not.If they don't have an unused free entry prize from the 2006 Qualifying or from NA open or World Open they are all paying the full whack $2,000/- entry fee.
Effectively substituting a promise to pay 1st and 2nd their air fare and hotel in December as a kind of replacement for the withdrawal of the usual other prizes of giving 4 players free entries for current tournaments,worth
$2,000/- each,would obviously make some commercial sense to any company which has short term cash flow problems and which expects to be more solvent in December
$2,000/- each,would obviously make some commercial sense to any company which has short term cash flow problems and which expects to be more solvent in December
I know players who have finished 3-6 in TC Qualifiers, and are given free entry to another one.
Email September 3 2006
Hello Roy,
Thank you for the email. Yes, players who finish 3-6 are will earn the
opportunity to roll forward the entry fee into another qualifier as a
credit. If there are any questions please let me know.
With Regards,
Aaron Bruno-Lewis
Event Planner / Public Relations
Email September 3 2006
Hello Roy,
Thank you for the email. Yes, players who finish 3-6 are will earn the
opportunity to roll forward the entry fee into another qualifier as a
credit. If there are any questions please let me know.
With Regards,
Aaron Bruno-Lewis
Event Planner / Public Relations
Roy Steffensen said:
Thanks for that info Roy.Presumably then the 3 players out of the 5 total entrants for Qualifier event TC-10 which was held at your room on 15 Sep were all given free future entries right?
That e mail you quoted was 3 Sept.Between then and now the website info regarding prizes appears to have changed.
You are holding another Qualifier Event TC-47 on 13 Oct.Are the 3-6 place finishers at that event going to get free future entries?
At least 2 players have already signed up for the Qualifier at ElbowRoom. Both free entries, but not from the same qualifier.
I know that they are both accepted as free entries because they both sent the registration as email with copy to me, and I got the confirmation from Aaron that they were registered.
I know that they are both accepted as free entries because they both sent the registration as email with copy to me, and I got the confirmation from Aaron that they were registered.
spadevil said:
Brilliant!
Stop seeing imaginary ghosties in every wardrobe,I'm not the enemy here.For your information it was somebody from the Uk site who played in a TC qualifier,finished placed and DIDN'T get awarded a free entry who prompted this query by slating me for advising him on there that he should have got a free entry.....jeez........damned if you do and damned if you don't
....just trying to get to the bottom of why he didn't or whether he is talking nonsense.....and frankly,anyway,nothing said on here so far completely clarifies it at all,in some ways makes it more cloudy.....and unless I am blind there is absolutely nothing on the IPT website to suggest that free entries are being given out as prizes in TC qualifiers.If they are maybe they need to change the wording of their "qualifier info" to make that clear.
Roy,please forgive Mr Holtz' bad temper above,it's a Scottish thing
.......1. Does the competition you are hosting this weekend carry a prize of free future entries for 3-6 placed finishers?
and......
2. This week's two free entrants you mentioned in your reply.....I fully understand your reply that they didn't win their free entries in the same event but what is not clear is......did they win their free entries in TC qualifier events as opposed to other events?
Yes or No to both questions would be fine and will enable me one way or another to go back to the guy who says he was placed and didn't get a free entry
For spadevil's benefit I would add that I'll be equally as happy if the answers are two yesses as I would be with two nos.
Thanks
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Here is a question for you and your friend that says he didn't receive a free entry with his TC placement.memikey said:Brilliant!
.....damned if you do and damned if you don't
....and frankly,anyway,nothing said on here so far completely clarifies it at all,in some ways makes it more cloudy.....and unless I am blind there is absolutely nothing on the IPT website to suggest that free entries are being given out as prizes in TC qualifiers.If they are maybe they need to change the wording of their "qualifier info" to make that clear.
Roy,please forgive Mr Holtz' bad temper above,it's a Scottish thing
1. Does the competition you are hosting this weekend carry a prize of free future entries for 3-6 placed finishers?
and......
2. This week's two free entrants you mentioned in your reply.....I fully understand your reply that they didn't win their free entries in the same event but what is not clear is......did they win their free entries in TC qualifier events as opposed to other events?
Yes or No to both questions would be fine and will enable me one way or another to go back to the guy who says he was placed and didn't get a free entry
For spadevil's benefit I would add that I'll be equally as happy if the answers are two yesses as I would be with two nos.
Thanks
Did he in fact ask the IPT for a free spot in another event ?
If he did, did they actually tell him that he didn't win a free spot ?
Maybe he ASSUMES, as you do, that he didn't win a free spot because he can't find it in writing on the IPT site ?
This is what needs to be clarified.
All of the info that I have seen confirms that your friend should have a free spot if he placed 3-6 in a TC qualifier.
This has been confirmed in KT's speach at the world open players meeting.
This has been confirmed through e-mails from Deno Andrews and Aaron Bruno Lewis of the IPT.
You have not presented any real evidence (other than hearsay) that there
are no free entries to be won at the TC qualifiers.
The fact that you can't find it in writng on the IPT website means nothing.
E-mail from Deno Oct 10th, regarding one player who had the same questions as memikey:
Hello Roy,
Thank you for the email. Any player who takes 3rd-6th place in any of the
qualification tournaments wins a free entry into another qualifier. I will
have Lindsay look into this player's account and get back to him.
Best regards,
Deno
Hello Roy,
Thank you for the email. Any player who takes 3rd-6th place in any of the
qualification tournaments wins a free entry into another qualifier. I will
have Lindsay look into this player's account and get back to him.
Best regards,
Deno
Memikey, I think it's best practice to go direct to the organisers before your spread your hearsay around the pool forums.
You need to stop hanging around with the b**shitter that is Profbull, your sounding more and more like him every day and it's boring.
You need to stop hanging around with the b**shitter that is Profbull, your sounding more and more like him every day and it's boring.
spadevil said:
Spadevil......I have never met or even talked to Prof,we have very few common views on anything at all and certainly from forum posts Prof and I appear to have vastly differing opinions of various aspects of the IPT so your concusion is absurd.
I agree that you are right about spreading hearsay (you've just been guilty of something similar yourself above
) and if and when I get to the bottom of it and conclude I've made a mistake I will apologise to those concerned.In the meantime I suggest you lose the irrational belief apparent in these and other forums that anyone who criticises the IPT is somehow also criticising you or any other IPT player,nothing could be further from the truth.If you want to get angry with someone and blow off steam by throwing gratuitous personal insults when absolutely none were directed in your direction try starting with the owner and management of IPT which is perhaps where your real anger should be more appropriately directed.It appears more likely each day that you are going to eventually have to do that anyway,you might as well start now.