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Draw shot on ball frozen to rail: Why does it pull away from rail? - 04-09-2015, 05:07 AM

Can anyone explain why when I shoot these two shots with draw the object ball always seems to pull away from the rail? I don't always miss the shot but it always comes off the rail some, maybe an inch, by the time it hits the pocket. If I use high or high inside the ball always stays glued to the rail.
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04-09-2015, 05:13 AM

You are either hitting ball first or rail first too much and banking into the ball. Rail may be crooked also.


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04-09-2015, 05:15 AM

Do you think you may be putting unintended left or right english on the CB when hitting with draw?


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04-09-2015, 05:16 AM

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You are either hitting ball first or rail first too much and banking into the ball. Rail may be crooked also.
Yup. Simple as that.


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04-09-2015, 05:23 AM

If I hit those shots soft, it tends to come off the rail a bit for me also, but I think that is mostly from the cloth and slate not being perfect underneath, at faster than 30% speed it hugs the rail pretty well, although the first picture with both balls on the rail can be tough because your eyes and hands instinctively try to shoot away from the rail a bit for fear of jamming the cueball into the rail, causing the object ball to bank into the rail, thus drifting out. I usually hit that shot with a tiny bit of inside to have it curve away from the rail and back in a tiny bit. Helps my brain to not fight me when I shoot that shot.


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04-09-2015, 05:28 AM

On your first picture its almost impossible to draw (especially hard) because CB and OB are frozen on the rail. When you draw CB will hop a little and rail will send CB to the right


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04-09-2015, 05:39 AM

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On your first picture its almost impossible to draw (especially hard) because CB and OB are frozen on the rail. When you draw CB will hop a little and rail will send CB to the right
This is the reason the CB leaves the rail. The ball is slightly under the rail and every shot (not just draw shots) hops a little, so it hops up into the overhanging rail and rebounds away.

Hit softly or with a little inside spin to squirt it out and curve it back. Better yet, don't leave the CB on the rail.

When the CB isn't on the rail you have to overcut it slightly to allow for contact throw, like any other shot. Shoot it like any other shot at that angle.

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04-09-2015, 05:44 AM

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This is the reason. The ball is slightly under the rail and every shot (not just draw shots) hops a little, so it hops up into the overhanging rail and rebounds away.

Hit softly or with a little inside spin to squirt it out and curve it back.

Better yet, don't leave yourself on the rail.

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That actually makes a lot of sense. Although I've never realized it until now, draw actually throws the ball upward(toward the ceiling) and that explains why it hits the rail lip and runs off. This also explains why follow throws the ball downward and allows it to ride under the rail. Thanks!
  
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04-09-2015, 06:05 AM

Also, the side pockets are a little bigger than they look because the equator of the object ball can go under the point. Very cool.
  
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04-09-2015, 07:33 AM

Shots with object ball on the rail or slightly off are what impress me most about pros. No matter the cut angle they just seem to play those shots with ease. I see thin cuts where I might have to consider banking. They just cut it right in.
  
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04-09-2015, 07:58 AM

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This is the reason the CB leaves the rail. The ball is slightly under the rail and every shot (not just draw shots) hops a little, so it hops up into the overhanging rail and rebounds away.

Hit softly or with a little inside spin to squirt it out and curve it back. Better yet, don't leave the CB on the rail.

When the CB isn't on the rail you have to overcut it slightly to allow for contact throw, like any other shot. Shoot it like any other shot at that angle.
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04-09-2015, 08:14 AM

Brandon Gramse's Tip-of-the-Day on that subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q87RaibKZLo


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04-09-2015, 09:43 AM

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Can anyone explain why when I shoot these two shots with draw the object ball always seems to pull away from the rail? I don't always miss the shot but it always comes off the rail some, maybe an inch, by the time it hits the pocket. If I use high or high inside the ball always stays glued to the rail.
This was explained a long time ago in one of Robert Byrne's books -- probably the "Advanced Technique" one. It was presented as a proposition shot.

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