Over The Rail Shot

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DrCue'sProtege

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Here's a shot I have missed on three different occasions lately. Just wondering if there are any tricks of the trade to help a guy pocket this shot. I have overcut it twice and undercut it once. All three times it was the 9-Ball and cost me a runout. Be advised the CB is frozen against the rail on this shot.

r/Mike


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DrCue'sProtege said:
Here's a shot I have missed on three different occasions lately. Just wondering if there are any tricks of the trade to help a guy pocket this shot. I have overcut it twice and undercut it once. All three times it was the 9-Ball and cost me a runout. Be advised the CB is frozen against the rail on this shot.

r/Mike


https://pad.chalkysticks.com/5ab34
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Some recommend a short stroke and pressing down on the front of the cue. I play it as much as possible like any other shot.

Shots from the rail are hard. While it's good to improve on them, it is as important to not leave yourself there.

Have you ever tried to practice just this shot?
 
During each practice session, play a few of racks where you take ball in hand and put the cue ball against the rail for every shot. You'll get good at them real quick.
 
I took a tip from Pat Fleming's Creative Edge video, and now I apply some downward pressure on my grip hand for these frozen CB rail shots.

It keeps the tip from bouncing up upon contact and I'm making a significantly higher percentage of these shots.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Have you ever tried to practice just this shot?
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I'd say only about 50,000 times.

The sad part about it is that no matter how many times you practice a shot you can never be guaranteed you are going to make that shot the next time you have it.

A couple of good tips here, about pressing down and shooting every shot over the rail. Question though......if you apply downward pressure wont you be subject to causing some masse?

Anyway, I'll try them after I get back from the bank and taking my trash and junk down to the landfill.

r/Mike
 
DrCue'sProtege;5573354[B said:
]I'd say only about 50,000 times.
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The sad part about it is that no matter how many times you practice a shot you can never be guaranteed you are going to make that shot the next time you have it.

A couple of good tips here, about pressing down and shooting every shot over the rail. Question though......if you apply downward pressure wont you be subject to causing some masse?

Anyway, I'll try them after I get back from the bank and taking my trash and junk down to the landfill.

r/Mike
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bowling is fun...:grin:
 
- still a relaxed grip!
- hittin the cb with a moderate and controlled speed
- pullin he cue not that far back as usual/ would say about 5-10 inches (max!!!)
- stable bridge is VERY important- to find here a way that woudl help you to NOT elevate your cue:
- Keepin the cue as level as possible is a big factor to make these shots successful. Not hittin dead center on these shots are the end of the inning usually :-)

have a smooth stroke,
lg from overseas
 
Danimal said:
I took a tip from Pat Fleming's Creative Edge video, and now I apply some downward pressure on my grip hand for these frozen CB rail shots.

It keeps the tip from bouncing up upon contact and I'm making a significantly higher percentage of these shots.
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Are you sure that Pat said to put downward pressure on the grip hand as opposed to the bridge hand? Was there a little confusion in terminology there?
 
Ratta said:
- still a relaxed grip!
- hittin the cb with a moderate and controlled speed
- pullin he cue not that far back as usual/ would say about 5-10 inches (max!!!)
- stable bridge is VERY important- to find here a way that woudl help you to NOT elevate your cue:
- Keepin the cue as level as possible is a big factor to make these shots successful. Not hittin dead center on these shots are the end of the inning usually :-)

have a smooth stroke,
lg from overseas
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I'll have to disagree a little with you on this one Ingo. First, I would recommend as little of a backstroke as possible for the shot. In the case of the example above, maybe only about 2-3 inches. Following through is important, though.

As for the grip hand, I find that slightly more tension helps to prevent a miscue on that type of shot.
 
Hi Fran :)

my Bad - i will never learn it - i meant 5 -10 cm which would be 2-4 inches. Thanks for correcting me 😉

With the grip its tough to discuss about. I can just talk for myself and for me it s still a relaxed grip- but i think got you.
To grip it in a manner to "stay'" with the shaft on the striking line to avoid miscue.

have a smooth stroke ☺

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Make your stance as close as possible to your regular stance. Press down toward the floor through the table with the bridge hand as suggested, and FIRMLY.
 
FranCrimi said:
Are you sure that Pat said to put downward pressure on the grip hand as opposed to the bridge hand? Was there a little confusion in terminology there?
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Fran, I got it from this video and found pushing down on the grip slightly helps keep the backstoke short, and also aids in coming through the CB more accurately. It is referenced around the 7:27 mark of the following:

https://youtu.be/MXhnGwL6aBY

I also saw a video in which Grady suggested to just tighten the grip hand for these shots, but that didn't work as well for me. I prefer Pat's way and my make percentage on these shots has been consistently better since adopting this technique.
 
Danimal said:
Fran, I got it from this video and found pushing down on the grip slightly helps keep the backstoke short, and also aids in coming through the CB more accurately. It is referenced around the 7:27 mark of the following:

https://youtu.be/MXhnGwL6aBY

I also saw a video in which Grady suggested to just tighten the grip hand for these shots, but that didn't work as well for me. I prefer Pat's way and my make percentage on these shots has been consistently better since adopting this technique.
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Okay. I see what he means. I was thinking of the kind of downward pressure that results in the opposite effect, which is the tip going up.

Thanks for the link to the video.
 
Just so that nobody gets the idea that this is a good thing, I would NEVER recommend gripping the cue in a way that put downward pressure on the front end of the shaft...video or no video. I'm with Bob, and the PAT boys, who just use a normal stroke, with a tiny degree of elevation to the angle of the bevel of the rail. The tighter you grip your cue, the lousier stroke you'll have...just like in golf.

Scott Lee
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Danimal said:
Fran, I got it from this video and found pushing down on the grip slightly helps keep the backstoke short, and also aids in coming through the CB more accurately. It is referenced around the 7:27 mark of the following:

https://youtu.be/MXhnGwL6aBY

I also saw a video in which Grady suggested to just tighten the grip hand for these shots, but that didn't work as well for me. I prefer Pat's way and my make percentage on these shots has been consistently better since adopting this technique.
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For me the key is just ensuring I don't increase pressure on the grip before reaching the cue ball. So a consistent relaxed grip up until striking the cue ball and then as you follow through the grip closes naturally. There is a very small margin for error, so I like to focus on a quality stroke.
 
Scott Lee said:
Just so that nobody gets the idea that this is a good thing, I would NEVER recommend gripping the cue in a way that put downward pressure on the front end of the shaft...video or no video. I'm with Bob, and the PAT boys, who just use a normal stroke, with a tiny degree of elevation to the angle of the bevel of the rail. The tighter you grip your cue, the lousier stroke you'll have...just like in golf.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Bottom of the bridge hand, pressing down into the rail--this actually puts less pressure on the cue stick itself and it flies freely.
 
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