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09-13-2017, 05:44 PM

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Did Palmer use an 18 thread pin?
Anyone know how the butt sleeve inlay cracked?
Cue appears refinished? and it sure does look like a titilist?
I'll go with Palmer (I doubt I'm right).
:: did Burton Spain use 18 thread pin? ::
Palmer used an 18 thread pin. However, Palmer did not use stainless steel for the joint at the time when they were not putting bumpers in. And the joint rings do not look like any Palmer I've ever seen. Looks more like Paradise or Fedunka. Doesn't look like any Spain I've seen.

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09-13-2017, 05:47 PM

I have been all over the place with this cue, same as the others.

Those butt sleeve rings...the joint rings...the pilot...and more.

I can't settle on any thing.


18 thread? And brass?


This is a very cool cue that I would love to see identified, but I can't go beyond "the usual suspects" based on some of the features.


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09-13-2017, 05:54 PM

I'm guessing the Phillips screw in the the butt cap is original Brunswick.
(some kind of kopy Kat , anything more will be surprising)
  
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09-13-2017, 06:05 PM

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I'm guessing the Phillips screw in the the butt cap is original Brunswick.
(some kind of kopy Kat , anything more will be surprising)
It's actually a pot metal "star bolt" and the joint rings are micarta and it's 5/16 x 18 TPI

Hope this helps. The butt rings are metal and pearl mixed

I dig this cue a lot. Well built. Dead nuts straight and plays well.

Not for sale though guys so don't bother with the PM's

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09-13-2017, 06:13 PM

Pot metal? What makes you say that? Pot metal would make a pretty poor screw or bolt.


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09-13-2017, 06:29 PM

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Fedunka ?
when he first posted pics of the butt sleeve without showing the joint area I also thought of Fedunka or Mayer


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09-13-2017, 07:08 PM

I have a Gandy National with similar rings and butt cap, but I don't know if any Gandy cues were Titlists


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09-13-2017, 07:12 PM

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when he first posted pics of the butt sleeve without showing the joint area I also thought of Fedunka or Mayer
Mayer came to my mind as well.

But too many things are different.

I have a Mayer...different pilots etc. In the end it was just a general impression of the butt sleeve pattern.

This thing is a mish-mash to me so far...

Things I thought of:
Paradise
Doc Fry
Mayer
Fedunka
Abe Rich (I have seen an Abe Rich Titlist, documented, wish I had it)
National
Gandy

Mostly thinking like everybody else.

I didn't think Palmer, I didn't think GB.

There are numerous possibilities and more obscure makers. We prize a nice Titlist conversion now but back then they were common as dirt and so often used.

I am also thinking one of those shafts was made later, whether by the original maker or perhaps another. Close inspection might reveal the black material in the ring is different...looks like it might be. Or it could have been repaired along with a ferrule change.

Right now, it is confusing to me.
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09-13-2017, 07:33 PM

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I am also thinking one of those shafts was made later, whether by the original maker or perhaps another. Close inspection might reveal the black material in the ring is different...looks like it might be. Or it could have been repaired along with a ferrule change.

Right now, it is confusing to me.
The shafts are definitely different, different tenon lengths and ferrule material. And here's a possibility as well. The buttplate may not be original. The cue looks pretty old, but delrin buttplates are generally a bit newer. Could be an original implex buttplate was blown out, and replaced with a larger delrin buttplate, which would explain the very recessed weight bolt, maybe more than the original? Which leans me to Paradise, though Fedunka still seems a strong possibility.

The length of the butt would help. If it's longer than 28.5 inches, which would be a standard 57 inch cue back in the day, then my theory on a replaced buttplate may hold water. Or not...

Doc, if you and I can't figure this out, do we have turn in our cue detective badges?

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09-13-2017, 08:41 PM

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You mean this one.

yes that cue. so why do you pass on the one in this post but buy this one, when you could of had both.


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09-13-2017, 09:45 PM

OK , let's not look at the cue , we need a case expert.
That case looks to me like #1, Palmer , #2, McDermott , that's it, I'm done.
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09-14-2017, 12:05 AM

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Doc, if you and I can't figure this out, do we have turn in our cue detective badges?

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Yeah...um...I'm not that good.


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Karl Mayer South Jersey/Philly areas he used 18 thread and that butt sleeve design
  
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