Is Championship cloth faster than simonis 860?

pmata814

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I've been considering replacing my home table's cloth (i was told it was championship) with simonis 860. Not that my cloth is old, it has plenty of life left, i've just heard that simonis is the best.

I was told that a nearby poolhall had simonis 860 on their tables so i went to try it, but i was shocked at how incredibly slow it played. Now, the cloth on those tables (olhausen) was in REALLY bad shape (even had tiny holes in most of them) and the balls were even worse. So, is that the reason it played so slow? Or does championship play faster? Because at this point i'm considering just keeping my current cloth. I like it better than what i experienced at the pool hall.

Thanks in advance for your input.


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Rhea

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Simonis 860 is slower than Simonis 860 HR and HR is slower than Simonis 760
 
cardiac kid

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pmata814 said:
I've been considering replacing my home table's cloth (i was told it was championship) with simonis 860. Not that my cloth is old, it has plenty of life left, i've just heard that simonis is the best.

I was told that a nearby poolhall had simonis 860 on their tables so i went to try it, but i was shocked at how incredibly slow it played. Now, the cloth on those tables (olhausen) was in REALLY bad shape (even had tiny holes in most of them) and the balls were even worse. So, is that the reason it played so slow? Or does championship play faster? Because at this point i'm considering just keeping my current cloth. I like it better than what i experienced at the pool hall.

Thanks in advance for your input.


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What was the humidity in the room? How tightly was the cloth installed? Were the rail rubbers at the correct height? Any one or all of those could make the table play slow regardless of the cloth installed.

Most of the national events I play in use Championship Mercury cloth on Valley Panthers. It certainly plays quick. All the bar boxes at the pool room have Simonis 860 (HR) installed on them. We get excellent wear. Must tell you we BAN the use of jump cues at East Ridge. Joss Northeast 9 Ball rules always apply there. Might be one reason we get long term use of the cloth.

Lyn
 
JoeyInCali

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Simonis is a little more sensitive to humidity.
Championship is too slippery for my liking.
 
Get_A_Grip

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I wouldn't change your cloth until you really need it. I would stick with either Championship Tour Edition or get 860 HR. I had Tour Edition on my table and then went with regular 860, which IMO was a big mistake for a home table. The 860 gets nicked up very easily, especially if you practice jump shots at home.

I went right back to the Tour Edition because I couldn't stand all of the nicks/little holes in the 860 cloth. As for the speed, I think that they are "comparable" and that keeping the cloth and balls clean is the biggest factor once you've had the cloth on for a long time.
 
pt109

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pmata814 said:
I've been considering replacing my home table's cloth (i was told it was championship) with simonis 860. Not that my cloth is old, it has plenty of life left, i've just heard that simonis is the best.

I was told that a nearby poolhall had simonis 860 on their tables so i went to try it, but i was shocked at how incredibly slow it played. Now, the cloth on those tables (olhausen) was in REALLY bad shape (even had tiny holes in most of them) and the balls were even worse. So, is that the reason it played so slow? Or does championship play faster? Because at this point i'm considering just keeping my current cloth. I like it better than what i experienced at the pool hall.

Thanks in advance for your input.


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If the cloth at that room isn’t cleaned regularly....it gets slow
If the cloth loosens up from old age....it gets slow
If the cloth wasn’t stretched enough when installed....it gets slow
If it is humid in there....it gets slow

I like the speed of Championship
 
pmata814

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Thx so much or all the replies. Im going to keep my table as it is. And i'll probably upgrade to aramith tournament balls instead.


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realkingcobra

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pmata814 said:
I've been considering replacing my home table's cloth (i was told it was championship) with simonis 860. Not that my cloth is old, it has plenty of life left, i've just heard that simonis is the best.

I was told that a nearby poolhall had simonis 860 on their tables so i went to try it, but i was shocked at how incredibly slow it played. Now, the cloth on those tables (olhausen) was in REALLY bad shape (even had tiny holes in most of them) and the balls were even worse. So, is that the reason it played so slow? Or does championship play faster? Because at this point i'm considering just keeping my current cloth. I like it better than what i experienced at the pool hall.

Thanks in advance for your input.


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Hard to answer your question, there's about 6 different kinds of Championship cloth, what is the model name of the cloth you currently have on your table?
 
pmata814

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realkingcobra said:
Hard to answer your question, there's about 6 different kinds of Championship cloth, what is the model name of the cloth you currently have on your table?
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I dont know. I just remember asking the dealer what cloth it was and he told me championship. This was about 7 yrs ago. And the receipt doesn't state what cloth it is either.


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realkingcobra

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pmata814 said:
I dont know. I just remember asking the dealer what cloth it was and he told me championship. This was about 7 yrs ago. And the receipt doesn't state what cloth it is either.


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Well, that compounds my response to your question as to what the difference is between your championship cloth and Simonis cloth. I'm not going to pretend i know what I'm talking about like some here do, when you find out what brand of championship cloth you have, PM me and we'll continue this conversation. By the way, what kind/make is your pool table?
 
realkingcobra

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Get_A_Grip said:
I wouldn't change your cloth until you really need it. I would stick with either Championship Tour Edition or get 860 HR. I had Tour Edition on my table and then went with regular 860, which IMO was a big mistake for a home table. The 860 gets nicked up very easily, especially if you practice jump shots at home.

I went right back to the Tour Edition because I couldn't stand all of the nicks/little holes in the 860 cloth. As for the speed, I think that they are "comparable" and that keeping the cloth and balls clean is the biggest factor once you've had the cloth on for a long time.
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Championship Tour Edition 30/30 has 30% nylon, regular Simonis 860 has 10% nylon, but the 860HR has 30% nylon as well, and don't speed up as it wears like the Tour Edition does.
 
pmata814

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realkingcobra said:
Well, that compounds my response to your question as to what the difference is between your championship cloth and Simonis cloth. I'm not going to pretend i know what I'm talking about like some here do, when you find out what brand of championship cloth you have, PM me and we'll continue this conversation. By the way, what kind/make is your pool table?
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My table is an 8 ft Vitalie. Thank you for your response.

Unfortunately i don't have a way of finding out what particular championship cloth it is. So i'll just keep it until its worn enough that it actually REQUIRES replacing.

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I would however guess that they wouldve installed whatever the cheapest option was. The only dealer in my area is a pawnshop and that's where i bought it (new, not used) They didn't seem very knowledgeable and i didnt know any better at the time.


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His Boy Elroy

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realkingcobra said:
Championship Tour Edition 30/30 has 30% nylon, regular Simonis 860 has 10% nylon, but the 860HR has 30% nylon as well, and don't speed up as it wears like the Tour Edition does.
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Does the Simonis 860 HR slow as it ages? If not, shall we consider the fact that the Champioship Tour Edition 30/30 DOES speed up as ages to be a negative?
 
Texas Carom Club

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Seems like it's about how it's installed

I swear the gcs at bogie's play as fast, nearly as billiard tables, pretty sure it's simonis,
but the ones at big tyme, last I was there, didn't play THAT fast
 
cardiac kid

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beneath_the_sur said:
Seems like it's about how it's installed

I swear the gcs at bogie's play as fast, nearly as billiard tables, pretty sure it's simonis,
but the ones at big tyme, last I was there, didn't play THAT fast
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Any chance it is Simonis 760 instead of 860? 760 is considerably faster. When we catered to the 14.1 players, it was the correct cloth. Only Mike Sigel hated it.

Lyn
 
Bavafongoul

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Tommy Hill installed HR860 at Blue Fin Billiards (Fresno, CA) and it plays great & holds up well under commercial playing conditions.
 
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