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Draw for show, follow for the dough? - 01-10-2018, 06:45 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I'm drawing for my dough, that's for sure. Ok, 3 cushion and big ball bar box excluded, but still.

I'm going to assume that the player in question has a decent stroke and is not a beginner, also that modern conditions apply. No "rag" cushions or rug cloth. There is a huge difference between a C player draw stroke and that of a better player. We'll assume that the player in question knows how to get action with a soft stroke.

1. Draw minimizes throw. That may seem like a theoretical point, but it really isn't. Who hasn't seen a cut shot turn and wobble in the pocket because of follow? Hit a cut shot with draw, and not only will it throw less, it virtually guaranteees that the object ball will travel straight as well.

2. Draw "cuts off the table" minimizing cueball travel and rail contact. Extremely important in these times of "pinball cushions" and ultra fast cloths. Once you touch that rail, god knows what will happen. With draw, typically the cushion contacts are softer than typical follow shots, which have more cueball speed at cushion contact.

3. Draw lets you see the whole ball, thus making aiming easier. Again, seems minor, but it really isn't.

4. Draw makes it easy to kill the ball.It will let you shoot fairly firm, ensuring straight travel, yet have a low speed at the impact time.

5. Who wants to shoot power follow shots? Seriously, how often do you see top players do that when there is even a hint of a different option? They are the toughest shots in pool.
  
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01-10-2018, 06:52 PM

Follow is the correct choice...

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01-10-2018, 06:56 PM

if i have to cinch the game ball i may put alittle draw on it
why
it puts alittle follow on the object ball at collision to start it rolling whereas follow drives the object ball into the slate alittle
so to me draw gives a "cleaner " hit
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01-10-2018, 08:43 PM

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1. Draw minimizes throw. That may seem like a theoretical point, but it really isn't. Who hasn't seen a cut shot turn and wobble in the pocket because of follow? Hit a cut shot with draw, and not only will it throw less, it virtually guaranteees that the object ball will travel straight as well.
You're oversimplifying the affect of throw. Ironically, more speed produces less throw. It's all about angle, speed and spin. I believe most players focus on spin (not draw) to negate the affect of throw.

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2. Draw "cuts off the table" minimizing cueball travel and rail contact. Extremely important in these times of "pinball cushions" and ultra fast cloths. Once you touch that rail, god knows what will happen. With draw, typically the cushion contacts are softer than typical follow shots, which have more cueball speed at cushion contact.
This is an interesting point. I believe it's this "rail contact" that allow draw shots off the rail to have a smaller rebound angle.

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3. Draw lets you see the whole ball, thus making aiming easier. Again, seems minor, but it really isn't.
I'm assuming you mean that the bridge hand is lower for draw shots, which reveals more CB while down on a shot. I agree.

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4. Draw makes it easy to kill the ball.It will let you shoot fairly firm, ensuring straight travel, yet have a low speed at the impact time.
Draw is the only way to do a kill shot, unless your kicking off the rail, which requires the reverse.

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5. Who wants to shoot power follow shots? Seriously, how often do you see top players do that when there is even a hint of a different option? They are the toughest shots in pool.
Don't sleep on the force follow shot! Force follow is a great way to perfect one's stroke. Force follow can be just as pretty as a well executed draw shot, especially if it's done for perfect positioning. I want to be equally proficient in both draw and follow shots, including extreme draw and force follow shots.



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01-10-2018, 10:59 PM

Earl and Shane force follow a bunch.If I have bih and it's placement depends on follow or draw I find follow the more consistant option.
  
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01-10-2018, 11:15 PM

Balls are round and designed to roll. Easier to master before taking on draw. More consistent.
  
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01-10-2018, 11:20 PM

There is an old video of parica from the 80ís that was posted a few months back. He was using draw on almost all the shots. Rarely going forward, even when that looked like a good option. His style of play really stuck out to me.
  
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01-10-2018, 11:31 PM

I was asked once which one I use more, or which one I am better at, follow or draw. I

answered it depends on where the cue ball needs to go. That answer that was given gave

me the opportunity to learn from an advance player when I was younger. He not only agreed,

but took time to help develop what areas my game was missing...I might need another lesson.

Why limit yourself to play with only on half of the ball? Practice all shots, all speeds, and all spins...
  
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01-11-2018, 05:39 AM

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There is an old video of parica from the 80’s that was posted a few months back. He was using draw on almost all the shots. Rarely going forward, even when that looked like a good option. His style of play really stuck out to me.
are you referring to earl? oh never mind-parica. it's early.
earl does this a lot.

for force follow my fave to watch is mika.

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01-11-2018, 05:42 AM

Love all the comments so far. A+

More than cue ball control, perfect pool is about self control.
Being an old 14.1 player, I can apply a follow stroke to break
balls loose from clusters or for position on a very tough run-out.
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01-11-2018, 06:40 AM

I generally don't recommend "systems", but in this case I will. Relative to the OP's original post, I would insert Wiley's "Touch of Inside" in almost every one of the scenarios identified and the result would be almost the same. I don't necessarily think the cueball will "stun" off of a cushion as slowly using just draw, but when you add the inside, it makes a more noticeable difference. All of this in my personal experience and my preferred position choices.


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01-11-2018, 07:10 AM

I used to play with a woman that played on Womans Tour. I noticed quickly that she used follow much more often than I would have.

As she was also coaching me some, I asked why, and she said that it was the ball is rolling forward and using follow was more accurate.

I find that when I bank, the object ball seems to act more "pure" coming off the rail using follow than a ball when I used draw. I try to use center ball as much as possible on banks. Using draw on bank shot is my last resort.

My tip for my AZ brothers. When I practice at home, I play a game with myself like this. If I am shooting a shot that I would normally use draw, I make myself use follow. If I am shooting a shot that I would normally use follow, I try to get shape by drawing the ball. I know it sounds kinda silly, but it forces you to try new things instead of just shooting it everytime the same way. This has taught me quite a bit IMO, and the result I shoot more with follow than most.

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01-11-2018, 07:39 AM

About a year ago I noticed how much more pros follow and come off the rail, way more than I did.

I've always said, the rail is your best friend.


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01-11-2018, 08:05 AM

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