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06-30-2017, 06:39 AM

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I'm guessing it's Danny's 351 ball run DVD from around 2014. I think Dennis was handling the sales but I could be wrong about that.

Though the quality is not the best (I think Danny says he used a security camera, lol) it's still a very illuminating run and definitely worth buying. What makes it even more amazing is that he pretty much uses just five pockets, trying to avoid shooting towards a gaffed up up table pocket.

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Thanks Lou. I'm thinking any high run footage is worth watching for my 14.1 game. My runs are typically spoiled by rattling a simple shot. If I had 5" pockets (or more practice with the tight pockets I currently have) I'm sure I'd finally break the seal on 100 or better....well, I think I'm sure at least. Lol


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06-30-2017, 10:19 AM

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Wait! Stop! Danny has a DVD? I really should've joined AZ years ago. I've missed out on a lot of great things here. Danny, any chance you still have any of those DVDs? If not, maybe someone here would be willing to sell their copy. If so, pm me please.

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Here's a thread about the dvd -- http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=368980
  
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06-30-2017, 12:04 PM

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I think as far as the high run board here, it should be noted if the run was in game or practice.
If in game you could start the run at any point of a game.

I say it's a fair way to start.
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I think "open table" is an OK way to start, but if someone feels guilty about it they can always note how they started on the high run board. When someone runs 20 and below, no one really cares how they started.

I believe new players would more likely start out this way, and the better players would not because they want to challenge themselves and play a more realistic format. In other words, the issue tends to go away automatically as players improve their game.

When I "spread balls" its because I'm lazy and dont like to rack, but I do it in semi-realistic way by rolling most of the balls toward the rack area, allowing clusters to form where you would expect them to be (etc), and rolling the CB toward the middle of the table (not BIH).
  
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Depends on the table! - 07-01-2017, 07:24 AM

On Tight 9 ball pockets like at Hard Times 30 to 40 is a really long run, at more family billiards with close to 5" pockets 100 is an awesome run for me!
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07-10-2017, 05:15 PM

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OK, I get what you are saying. I agree that making it look easy is what it is all about.

Let me ask you something else while I've got your attention. I was watching a long run of yours. I don't recall if it is from your CD (which you sent me a copy of a couple of years ago) or from Youtube. I think it was the CD. Anyway, I don't remember if you recommended this outright or if it was something I just saw. You were playing to have 2 key balls near each other, and not just one set up ball and one key ball. The idea, and I think you said it, is that if you have two balls in a good location to be key balls, having two balls there allows you to be more precise in where you can leave the cue ball for the break shot. I've been playing with this in mind and I think it has helped a lot on some racks. Did I understand you right?
Yes - but with one exception. If one of the two is too low for break ball, then you might want to look for a more specific end game pattern and pocket the ball below your break shot rapido. Of course the more insurance you have residing near and more importantly above your break ball the better.

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07-10-2017, 05:39 PM

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Thanks Lou. I'm thinking any high run footage is worth watching for my 14.1 game. My runs are typically spoiled by rattling a simple shot. If I had 5" pockets (or more practice with the tight pockets I currently have) I'm sure I'd finally break the seal on 100 or better....well, I think I'm sure at least. Lol
Yea of course not just 'any high run footage will help you learn 14.1. World class rotation players (shot makers) can stumble through a run of a hundred once in a while. You may see however that once the bet increases or pockets tighten - in some of end game patterns the world class rotation player runs into difficuly (barely surviving cue ball moving too much etc). Unless they have practiced much. Watch players who make it look easy, then practice developing your own style. I once saw Steve lipsky run a hundred and out on a double shimmed diamond table in about thirty min. To this day it is one of the easiest century's I have seen. And as you might guess there was minimal movement with cue ball and end game patterns were What you would expect of a world class 14.1 champ.

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07-10-2017, 07:12 PM

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Yes - but with one exception. If one of the two is too low for break ball, then you might want to look for a more specific end game pattern and pocket the ball below your break shot rapido. Of course the more insurance you have residing near and more importantly above your break ball the better.
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07-10-2017, 10:07 PM

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I think as far as the high run board here, it should be noted if the run was in game or practice.
If in game you could start the run at any point of a game.
And as far as a practice run that can be judged either way. Sometimes what I'll do in practice is set up a breakshot and shoot til I miss, then sometimes I'll continue from one from how the Balls lie just to see if how I was playing the rackmout worked. And possibly I'll keep going from there and I don't feel as though that you should be penalized from there. So that's kinda the same principle as the scatter out start method. In my opinion.

I say it's a fair way to start.

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I respectfully disagree, its a good idea to make as many similarity's to practicing and competing. To set a goal and have even the slightest reward is in my view to compete. I understand what your saying but again my suggestion is to not put too much emphasis on having an opponent. Belittling the run in any way due to not having an opponent in the chair and ' in a game' is note about the ego. If player wants to state the high run was in a 'game' then that is their business.
  
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Wait! Stop! Danny has a DVD? I really should've joined AZ years ago. I've missed out on a lot of great things here. Danny, any chance you still have any of those DVDs? If not, maybe someone here would be willing to sell their copy. If so, pm me please.

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Its OK, wait ? ! Stop I meant forwrd. Accidents happen if you really are searching for a copy of my 14.1 instructional DVD no need to have me pm you.you can get a hold of dmglwlsh. Deniss has a copy he can mail you and he posts here in straight pool section. Welcome to the forum bc21.

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Yea of course not just 'any high run footage will help you learn 14.1. World class rotation players (shot makers) can stumble through a run of a hundred once in a while. You may see however that once the bet increases or pockets tighten - in some of end game patterns the world class rotation player runs into difficuly (barely surviving cue ball moving too much etc). Unless they have practiced much. Watch players who make it look easy, then practice developing your own style. I once saw Steve lipsky run a hundred and out on a double shimmed diamond table in about thirty min. To this day it is one of the easiest century's I have seen. And as you might guess there was minimal movement with cue ball and end game patterns were What you would expect of a world class 14.1 champ.
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I respectfully disagree, its a good idea to make as many similarity's to practicing and competing. To set a goal and have even the slightest reward is in my view to compete. I understand what your saying but again my suggestion is to not put too much emphasis on having an opponent. Belittling the run in any way due to not having an opponent in the chair and ' in a game' is note about the ego. If player wants to state the high run was in a 'game' then that is their business.
I'm very interested to see you write this, Danny. It never made sense to me to say that this run or that run isn't worth as much because it wasn't done during competition. It would be like going to the home of a great violinist or pianist and hearing them play beautiful music in their living room. Would you really say their play is tainted because they weren't playing in front of a huge crowd on video tape? A beautiful 100 ball run looks the same whether it was competition or not.

Now, if you want to say this or that player isn't as good as another because he chokes in competition, then you are discussing how good of a competitor he is, not how knowledgeable he is about straight pool.

Personally, I often play better in competition because I am more motivated and sharper.

Competition is competition, straight pool is straight pool.


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Your welcome, I would add that it might be a good idea to not create an excuse with table specs and tight pocket trap. Depending on how deep a shelf in your pockets 4 1/2 to 4 3/8 is ideal for straight pool. Only if you play a lot of one pocket for u need deep shelf shimmed equip. I am not really concerned about political correctness, so I call em how I read em. Are you still semi enteressa' in a signed copy of me 351 with commentary I can manage that - Brian.
  
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I'm very interested to see you write this, Danny. It never made sense to me to say that this run or that run isn't worth as much because it wasn't done during competition. It would be like going to the home of a great violinist or pianist and hearing them play beautiful music in their living room. Would you really say their play is tainted because they weren't playing in front of a huge crowd on video tape? A beautiful 100 ball run looks the same whether it was competition or not.

Now, if you want to say this or that player isn't as good as another because he chokes in competition, then you are discussing how good of a competitor he is, not how knowledgeable he is about straight pool.

Personally, I often play better in competition because I am more motivated and sharper.

Competition is competition, straight pool is straight pool.
I agree, also like the home musician analogy. You're no dumby Dan the man. We can work on building a solid foundation and later down the road practice as if we were (visualize) competing. The solid foundation must be built first.

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I agree, also like the home musician analogy. You're no dumby Dan the man. We can work on building a solid foundation and later down the road practice as if we were (visualize) competing. The solid foundation must be built first.
Yeah, exactly. Confidence comes from knowing that you can do it and solid fundamentals make that possible.

I think some people are natural competitors or gamblers and use pool as their vehicle, and others just love the game, competition or no competition.


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07-17-2017, 01:13 AM

Looks like we lost 'any footage' of bc21. I read it says pocketing balls .com on his avatar. Sum m tells me he will keep rattling em. Oh how polytickly correct that is of me. Players often use the tight pocket excuse - just has hustlers will act like it does not bother them to lose in a tournament. Or well at least I think that is correct. See ya in the funny papers Brian with tight pockets. You'll have to forgive me Brian - after no response - well let's say I got a bad vibe. Oh sometimes it feels like its uh long run.

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