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01-11-2017, 11:23 AM

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Moses Chaplin Immigrated from England in the 1500's. He was the stud of my line, born in England and died in New Hampshire. That dude had courage. Along the way the country was claimed at the point of a gun barrel from it's old owners. 400 years later I trickled out the ball sack of his descendant.

So if new people from another place want to now claim this country I suggest they arm themselves and give it a go. That is how things are settled in case you haven't notice. Good luck to them. Sorry about you and Michelle's hope being gone.

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That was a very fine story indeed. Back to your citizenship, you got that from being born in this country. That was the answer you meant, right? So you got awarded citizenship by birth, which is pretty swell I might add. Why again do you want something that was given to you taken away from someone else?


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01-11-2017, 12:09 PM

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That was a very fine story indeed. Back to your citizenship, you got that from being born in this country. That was the answer you meant, right? So you got awarded citizenship by birth, which is pretty swell I might add. Why again do you want something that was given to you taken away from someone else?
Because we are a country. A country has laws and borders. And citizens. That's how it works whether you like it or not.

There are currently several billion people living in third world shit holes who would like nothing better than to come here sans laws and borders and drop their pup on the soil to get a better life for themselves. My parents were citizens, that's why I got mine. of course you know this but are acting coy for whatever reason.

Still not addressing the question. How does birth right citizenship benefit this country and it's citizens. If you don't want to or can't answer that simple one then go back under your bridge.

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01-11-2017, 12:15 PM

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... The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

What has it done for us lately? Is it an idea whose day has passed?

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it's your constitution ... and some might make the same argument about your 2nd Amendment ... and others

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01-11-2017, 02:54 PM

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Can someone, anyone explain to me in what way birth right citizenship is helpful to our country? Or how it's "fair" to the babies and their mamas? And not having it would be taking the rights of what citizens? And why we are the only influential country where citizenship is coveted to allow this?

This is one I simply don't understand what constituency benefits from this and allows it to continue. Sure you can quip it's democrat voters but there aren't enough of them for this to never have been seriously challenged at this moment in history.

Whom and what gives this life?

I know Trump has made noise about ending it. Is this in the realm of possibility? Any more than his presidency itself was? Will congress go along and refer it to the states if our President pushes it? Will the states go along? Has there ever been a better time than now? Is it in fact, now or never to end this?

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Count 2/3 of Senate, 2/3 of House and then 3/4 of states, that's your possibility. It is improbable at the moment.


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Count 2/3 of Senate, 2/3 of House and then 3/4 of states, that's your possibility. It is improbable at the moment.
What about the other question?

Interested to know if you have an answer for it.

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01-11-2017, 04:03 PM

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What about the other question?

Interested to know if you have an answer for it.

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I think you mean people who were born in the USA, but from non-legal citizens of the USA
  
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That's also a very romantic way to look at it.....but isn't it a bit more down to earth to realise that it was far more a case of English Common Law of the time forming the underlying basis of how they framed citizenship issues in the USC?
From living in So Cal, I can tell you that 50% of the students at USC were not born here, but what has that got to do with anything?


  
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01-11-2017, 04:18 PM

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Exactly my question, how does this benefit our country today?

Forget about it's intent. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

What has it done for us lately? Is it an idea whose day has passed?

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Fiat money. The government needs an expanding economy to keep things going. In the 1940's it was made into official secret policy, never to pay the debt, never to balance the budget, to use inflation as a tool to combat deflation or even a stable economy. To do that they need an expanding population. Since Americans are not procreating at a fast enough rate the government allows higher immigration numbers.... including illegals to provide those extra tax payers. They are not just new citizens.... they are the new tax base.

The day of its intended use passed long ago, but then we created another problem. Don't look for a repeal of the amendment any time soon any more than a repeal of the income tax or a Presidential candidate talking about paying off the National Debt. While giving lip service to its existence, O's double down, no one is going to do a thing about it. If Trump now does an about face on illegals it will be because someone sat him down and showed him the books.


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What about the other question?

Interested to know if you have an answer for it.

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I am not sure which question you are referring too, but going by the gist, individual state cannot unilaterally disregard an amendments. Even if all states agree, they need to convene a constitutional convention to repeal the amendment, and that is even harder. It requires 2/3 votes of all state legislators.


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I am not sure which question you are referring too, but going by the gist, individual state cannot unilaterally disregard an amendments. Even if all states agree, they need to convene a constitutional convention to repeal the amendment, and that is even harder. It requires 2/3 votes of all state legislators.
The question was in what way birthright citizenship benefits America or it's lawful citizens.

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The question was in what way birthright citizenship benefits America or it's lawful citizens.

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Are you categorically talking about children born to illegal immigrants because, in general, a state employs birthright citizenship to encourage immigration? The immigration itself is the benefit.


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