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Julian Assange will take part in a Reddit Ask Me Anything (AMA) on Thursday at 14:00 GMT (9am EST). The tweet announcing the AMA contained the hashtag ‘proofoflife’, presumably referencing concerns raised by some for the WikiLeaks editor’s wellbeing.
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You can ask WikiLeaks' publisher Julian Assange anything live at Thursday 9am EST on Reddit @Reddit_IAmA #AskMeAnything#IAmA#proofoflifepic.twitter.com/ZNVM0xFkss
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In a strange twist of fate, Julian would probably be free to walk about if he was in Ecuador. The whole rape thing re Sweden has to be a set up, as the women involved are not pressing charges but the Swedish govt is? It is just a little too convenient to believe.
Of course he'd be free to walk about if he was in Ecuador. That's precisely why he is in the Ecuador Embassy where he is free to walk about.. Effectively he IS in Ecuador. Not sure why that is a strange twist of fate

Anyway, moving on.....nobody in Sweden, neither individuals nor the Govt, is "pressing charges" against Assange. He has not been charged with anything by the Swedes. Since 2010, the Swedish Special Prosecutor simply wanted to question him in Sweden about four allegations (two cases of sexual molestation, one case of unlawful coercion and one case of "lesser-degree rape").

Assange told the Special Prosecutor he would be willing to submit to questioning in Sweden at a time of his choosing whenever he happened to be returning to Sweden for other reasons and that he would not go back simply to be questioned. He also offered the alternative of being questioned by Swedish officials in Britain.

By mid 2015 the Swedish statute of limitations on the first three charges listed above had already expired. A couple of months ago ie in late November 2016 he was questioned inside the Ecuador Embassy in London by the Swedish Special Prosecutor about the fourth allegation (the "lesser-degree rape). Following that interview, no charges have been laid against him so far on that allegation but the Swedish Statute of Limitations on it doesn't expire until 2020 so theoretically charges might conceivably yet be laid in the future depending upon how that interview with the Special Prosecutor went a few weeks ago.

It's not rocket science that for several years the US has wanted him extradited to the USA to face prosecution for the confidential military and other documents he published nor does it need Sherlock Holmes to work out that the Swedes and the Uk may well still be quite willing to assist their ally the USA achieve that objective if they can get him on to their soil first.

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He's in a prison, basically. You can search for articles where the building was at times being invaded with military types, sounds in the stairwells, burglaries, and other strange occurrences.
....and when you find those 'articles' you will find that they are mostly inventive conspiracy theory bunkum for the gullible. Obviously he has lost much of his freedom of movement.......probably still better than the probable alternative of being by now on death row in USA after conviction for the offences the USA think he committed back in 2012 regarding their documents and military information.

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I'm surprised the see eye eh, et a, hasn't taken him out yet.
There were certainly plenty politicians (and azb npr members) calling for his execution back in 2012. Ironically some of the same politicians and azb npr members now apparently think he's a hero for the Wikileaks publications carried out during the election. Seems to me if the CIA really wanted him taken out they'd far more reason to do it long ago than they have now and that it wouldn't be that difficult to do then or now.


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In a strange twist of fate, Julian would probably be free to walk about if he was in Ecuador. The whole rape thing re Sweden has to be a set up, as the women involved are not pressing charges but the Swedish govt is? It is just a little too convenient to believe.

He's in a prison, basically. You can search for articles where the building was at times being invaded with military types, sounds in the stairwells, burglaries, and other strange occurrences. I'm surprised the see eye eh, et a, hasn't taken him out yet.

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01-04-2017, 02:39 PM

What John Mcafee said made perfect sense. Those capable of hacking our systems are also more than capable of masking their tracks.

If it looks like Russia did it one thing is for certain, they did not.

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What John Mcafee said made perfect sense. Those capable of hacking our systems are also more than capable of masking their tracks.

If it looks like Russia did it one thing is for certain, they did not.

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What John Mcafee said made perfect sense. Those capable of hacking our systems are also more than capable of masking their tracks.

If it looks like Russia did it one thing is for certain, they did not.

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Do you think a Country like Russia or China is gonna be told about to the American public. If it didn't fit the agenda of whoever claims to be the victim. I know the see-eye-ah, tells lies since forever. So why? Would they tell the public anything that vould be used as leverage against them. Does the term Counter intelligence come to mind

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01-04-2017, 03:23 PM

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Do you think a Country like Russia or China is gonna be told about to the American public. If it didn't fit the agenda of whoever claims to be the victim. I know the see-eye-ah, tells lies since forever. So why? Would they tell the public anything that vould be used as leverage against them. Does the term Counter intelligence come to mind

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Not only that but who believes we are innocent victims and not involved in all the same skullduggery and more?

I'll tell you who. Idiots.

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Not only that but who believes we are innocent victims and not involved in all the same skullduggery and more?

I'll tell you who. Idiots.

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When the government tells "The Public" something. Generally, that is what they want "The Public" To Believe.

The government can lie to us. However, we cannot lie to them. Huhn.!Weird?

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01-12-2017, 03:30 AM

I don't want to get involved in discussions of all these new dramatic "reports" from the third party investigator (which on the face of it look to me a helluva lot less than reliable at this stage). Just for a minute can we get back to the focus of what was discussed in this thread only, without worrying about that new stuff?

Something seems to have flown a little under the radar in all the fuss over the new dramas. Mr Trump seems to have quietly publicly acknowledged during the press conference that the Russians were behind hacks.

That of course still doesn't necessarliy mean that it was the Russians or 'only' the Russians who (via one route or another) made the DNC e mails public via WikiLeaks nor does it even necessarily mean that Assange knew that anything he received and passed on originated from Russian hacks.......but unless the guys on here who point blankly refused to even acknowledge that possibility and ridiculed it are now going to suggest Trump is now lying or being nave about the evidence he (and others) must have seen before he accepted that there was Russian hacking, surely you guys have to now at the very least also accept the very real possibility that there was some kind of Russian involvement in obtaining some of the e mails published by Wikileaks?

As I've been trying to calmly point out from the start, if there was some Russian hacking involvement it obviously doesn't make Trump a bad guy nor make him an undeserving winner (anyway, only an idiot would ever have suggested that simply due to Russian hacking having happened) nor does it even necessarily make Assange himself a bad guy......but acceptance of Russian hacking involvement as at the very least a live possibility after Trump doing a 180 turn now that he has apparently been shown evidence which convinces him that the Russians were involved in hacking, instead of entrenching yourselves even further with more intransigent denial of any likelihood of Russian involvement, would certainly make you guys appear more rational and objective. It's not a crime to acknowledge maybe having lost a little perspective on this somewhere along the way


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01-12-2017, 04:56 AM

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I don't want to get involved in discussions of all these new dramatic "reports" from the third party investigator (which on the face of it look to me a helluva lot less than reliable at this stage). Just for a minute can we get back to the focus of what was discussed in this thread only, without worrying about that new stuff?

Something seems to have flown a little under the radar in all the fuss over the new dramas. Mr Trump seems to have quietly publicly acknowledged during the press conference that the Russians were behind hacks.

That of course still doesn't necessarliy mean that it was the Russians or 'only' the Russians who (via one route or another) made the DNC e mails public via WikiLeaks nor does it even necessarily mean that Assange knew that anything he received and passed on originated from Russian hacks.......but unless the guys on here who point blankly refused to even acknowledge that possibility and ridiculed it are now going to suggest Trump is now lying or being nave about the evidence he (and others) must have seen before he accepted that there was Russian hacking, surely you guys have to now at the very least also accept the very real possibility that there was some kind of Russian involvement in obtaining some of the e mails published by Wikileaks?

As I've been trying to calmly point out from the start, if there was some Russian hacking involvement it obviously doesn't make Trump a bad guy nor make him an undeserving winner (anyway, only an idiot would ever have suggested that simply due to Russian hacking having happened) nor does it even necessarily make Assange himself a bad guy......but acceptance of Russian hacking involvement as at the very least a live possibility after Trump doing a 180 turn now that he has apparently been shown evidence which convinces him that the Russians were involved in hacking, instead of entrenching yourselves even further with more intransigent denial of any likelihood of Russian involvement, would certainly make you guys appear more rational and objective. It's not a crime to acknowledge maybe having lost a little perspective on this somewhere along the way
Yeah. I listened to Trump. Also, he Ridiculed the Intel Community for releasing Classified Information. Before it has been verified. Like Nazi-Germany did.

Also, why do we 17 Intelligence Agencies?

What is it that they do everyday.

Huhn? BIG MYSTERY.

LIE...OH NO!!!!.

Yeah, So the second guy Dr.Clapper lied about Metadata Mining. Is now credible

L.M.FATT.BUTT.OFF.

Now he is reliable. Why did Trump not acknowledge before. Because, it was Classified until Obamassiah Released it for Political Division.

You do know that the US GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN PROBABLY EVER FOREIGN ELECTION SINCE IT HAS COME TO FRUITION WITH THE INTEL COMMUNITY AFTER WWII.

They do like all Big Nations do. They stirrup trouble to get their cronies in.

The crybaby is now crying about it happened to them. While they have done it to the World.

Do you think Russian Intel would Release any real information that they could use as leverage.

No, why.!!!...Because, they will use it later at a better time or keep it as the proverbial "Ace-N-The Hole."

Of course foreign nations are involved in ever form of media outlet, in this "Nation" and wherever they can be.

Naivete, is bless. It isn't hard to "connect the dots." They never release info, unless it purposeful. Regardless of motive.

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Let's foget for a second about who hacked.

Point to what was hacked that affected shitlery's campaign.


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Let's foget for a second about who hacked.

Point to what was hacked that affected shitlery's campaign.
She lost on Both sides of the Vote Count.

Voterfraud.org

Has an Article, Purporting. To have evidence that at least 3 Million Illegals voted for HRC & if so, them votes can be thrown out. Just like the State of Michigan did. When, all-of-a-sudden. The County for Detroit. Which is just a tad heavy on Democratic voters. Showed a new vote tally, that had more "Votes" then registered "Voters" in there County.

So, Michigan State Law, Has a wording too thee effect. Which is why, the State rejected the "New Vote Tally."

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She lost on Both sides of the Vote Count.

Voterfraud.org

Has an Article, Purporting. To have evidence that at least 3 Million Illegals voted for HRC & if so, them votes can be thrown out. Just like the State of Michigan did. When, all-of-a-sudden. The County for Detroit. Which is just a tad heavy on Democratic voters. Showed a new vote tally, that had more "Votes" then registered "Voters" in there County.

So, Michigan State Law, Has a wording too thee effect. Which is why, the State rejected the "New Vote Tally."

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but still there are no interest to actually go and check the process from any side of political spectrum. They might actually find something and plug the holes they wanted to use themselves in the future.....shucks...


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Let's foget for a second about who hacked.
Wouldn't that be convenient Just "foget" about it

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Yeah. I listened to Trump. Also, he Ridiculed the Intel Community for releasing Classified Information. Before it has been verified. Like Nazi-Germany did.

Also, why do we 17 Intelligence Agencies?

What is it that they do everyday.

Huhn? BIG MYSTERY.

LIE...OH NO!!!!.

Yeah, So the second guy Dr.Clapper lied about Metadata Mining. Is now credible

L.M.FATT.BUTT.OFF.

Now he is reliable. Why did Trump not acknowledge before. Because, it was Classified until Obamassiah Released it for Political Division.

You do know that the US GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN PROBABLY EVER FOREIGN ELECTION SINCE IT HAS COME TO FRUITION WITH THE INTEL COMMUNITY AFTER WWII.

They do like all Big Nations do. They stirrup trouble to get their cronies in.

The crybaby is now crying about it happened to them. While they have done it to the World.

Do you think Russian Intel would Release any real information that they could use as leverage.

No, why.!!!...Because, they will use it later at a better time or keep it as the proverbial "Ace-N-The Hole."

Of course foreign nations are involved in ever form of media outlet, in this "Nation" and wherever they can be.

Naivete, is bless. It isn't hard to "connect the dots." They never release info, unless it purposeful. Regardless of motive.

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I don't know why you quoted my post in introducing that rant.

It's pretty simple from my end....Trump was adamant that the Russians had nothing to do with any hacking. He was then shown the evidence and now he believes the Russians were involved in the hacking. So the main possibilities are....

1) The Russians were involved in the hacking and the evidence which convinced Trump that they were, is genuine and credible.

OR

2) The Russians weren't involved in the hacking and the evidence which convinced Trump that they were is fake therefore Trump has been duped as have all the others who have seen the classified evidence of it.

I don't know for sure which....but I do at least know that I don't know. It seems that several others on here didn't know that they didn't know.....and that you evidently still don't know that you don't know

My post was simply about the foolhardiness of taking premature entrenched positions. Trump's swift engaging of reverse and then doing a 180 degree turn is a good example of why.


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