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01-06-2017, 06:18 PM

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You are partly right. I want a table that plays very close to a Diamond if not exactly like a Diamond.

As for the budget, well, I have one (dont we all...lol) but it will allow a new Diamond and light if push comes to shove.

The biggest issue with a new Diamond is the wait time. I hate the idea of having to wait months for a table but will if I have to.

The wait time is tough.... but when it arrives you know it was worth the wait!
I do love playing on GCs, but given the choice I'll take the Diamond every time.

And I agree it is easier to go from a Diamond to other tables than the other way around.... ( like practicing on a 9' then playing on a 7')..
And if the places you play have Diamonds then it makes sense to have one at home to practice on.... and if you plan on attending regional or national events, especially BCA or other leagues.... they play on Diamonds or will be making the switch soon enough.
  
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01-06-2017, 06:20 PM

OP - The ad describes a GC3 refinished by one of the most reputable table mechanics in the country (I'll only say that about Gregory as I have not played on his tables). That work was done so it would play like a Diamond, and I suspect it does. It should have the same rails and pocket cuts you'd expect from a Diamond. The gentleman above who said it won't play like a Diamond probably did not click on the link, read the ad and understand that it's been altered from the GC specs.

Personally, I like the way Diamonds play but I prefer the way GCs look. This is why I've purchased a GCIII refinished to play like a Diamond by Glen Hancock, another mechanic with a strong reputation whose work I'm more familiar with and who is local to me. I felt very lucky to have found the table I'm buying (for roughly the same price as you're looking at) because it would have cost me twice as much to get the same work done or to buy a Diamond.

Are you able to make an appointment to go check out how it plays? That seems like the logical next step to me and you may find yourself with a table that plays just like a Diamond, looks better in my opinion, for half the price and on your timeframe.
  
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01-07-2017, 05:50 AM

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Snatch up that GCIII, I am waiting for Mark to redo my rails, and if I could've found a table

close to me that he has modified it would of been my first pick. But that GCIII looks too good

to be true.

I agree, have the same table and love the way it plays. Never played on a Diamond though. I had Brunswick super speed rails and Simonis 860 cloth put on. As I understand it, the pockets can be shimmed to a max of 1/4 on each side to get 4.5 pockets. Mine are 4.5. But if those rails have been extended that is a very good buy. Especially with the pocket covers and feet being power coated.
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01-07-2017, 01:24 PM

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It sounds like you want a Diamond. Neither of the GC's you linked will play exactly like one. The GC 3 will play closer, because it has Artemis rubber. BUT, Mark Gregory does not install the Artemis rubber like Diamond does. He installs the cushion flipped over from the way Diamond installs it. (he also thinks stock Diamonds play like pin ball machines). He has posted about this before on here.

Get the table you want. Order it now, and then spend every day in the pool hall till it comes. You'll have your pool fix that way.
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01-07-2017, 01:57 PM

I would like to add something I have said before in another thread.

Installing, setting up and removing pool tables are costly endeavors.

Pool tables last longer than we will.

So...... get the the table you want the first time and avoid the possible cost and hassle of changing a table.

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01-07-2017, 01:58 PM

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It sounds like you want a Diamond. Neither of the GC's you linked will play exactly like one. The GC 3 will play closer, because it has Artemis rubber. BUT, Mark Gregory does not install the Artemis rubber like Diamond does. He installs the cushion flipped over from the way Diamond installs it. (he also thinks stock Diamonds play like pin ball machines). He has posted about this before on here.

Get the table you want. Order it now, and then spend every day in the pool hall till it comes. You'll have your pool fix that way.
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The wait time is tough.... but when it arrives you know it was worth the wait!
I do love playing on GCs, but given the choice I'll take the Diamond every time.

And I agree it is easier to go from a Diamond to other tables than the other way around.... ( like practicing on a 9' then playing on a 7')..
And if the places you play have Diamonds then it makes sense to have one at home to practice on.... and if you plan on attending regional or national events, especially BCA or other leagues.... they play on Diamonds or will be making the switch soon enough.
There are no diamond tables in my area. All of the tables in my area are just like the places they are in and that is chitty at best.

One place is called The Side Pocket Lounge......DIVE at best. Tables and ALL other equipment is cheap and not maintained. But at least they still charge going rates...lol. It cost $16 a hour for two people to play on same table.

Another place here is called Tennessee Street Billiards (aka...the old "Smoke House")........another DIVE.......but not as bad as the Pocket. They have the same type and level of tables but at least they know their equipment is less than desired so they charge much less. It cost $8 a hour for two people on same table.

If I play on any of the above tables for any length of time and then try to play on a diamond........lol......lets just say I will have a very big adjustment period.

On the other hand, if I play on a diamond in Decatur or Huntsville for a few days then I have almost zero adjustment other than ball speed.

Yeah, Florence Alabama sucks as far as pool halls go.

Bumpers in Birmingham and in Huntsville and in Decatur Alabama all have an arm band day ......everyday.........for $5 or $7 (depending on place) a day for unlimited play but here in Florence.......lol...........they want to charge premium rates for some of the most crappy tables on earth. Yeah, it's that bad.

EDIT: I forgot about one table at a friends in my area. It's an Olhausen. It is all stock but the felt. It has the regular tournament blue 860 on it. To me it plays better than anything in my town.........by far. I have come to the point where I either play at his house (which is at most 1 or 2 days a month due to his work schedule) or make the drive (1 to 2.5 hours depending on which place) Decatur (six pockets), Huntsville (bumpers) or Birmingham (bumpers).

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01-10-2017, 09:31 PM

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That GC3 would have been perfect had it not been Diathudendized.
Well almost because GC3's don't have pinned slates ( unless modified ).

I wish Mr PerfectPocketz was local here.
Could you go into a bit more detail? I have no idea and am curious to what you mean. Thanks!
  
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01-10-2017, 09:53 PM

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Installing, setting up and removing pool tables are costly endeavors.

Pool tables last longer than we will.

So...... get the the table you want the first time and avoid the possible cost and hassle of changing a table.

JMHO
That is exactly why I am asking so many people so many questions. I do not mind spending what some say is to much for a pool table as long as it is what I truly want.

However, I do have a hard time spending very much for something if it is just "close" to what I want.

BTW, If I bought the GC III for $2,950 then paid to have it moved......ballpark of $500 (just a guess) I would then have $3,450 in it and it would just be laying in pieces in my garage. I then would have to pay RKC to come to my house to do his thing and that is what scares me.....lol.....not his work but I've heard he is not cheap as he is suppose to be one of, if not the best table guy out there.

By the time I paid the $3,450 and then paid RKC $????? to do his thing I am pretty certain I would have within ~$!,500 (just a guess) of a new Diamond.
  
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01-10-2017, 10:09 PM

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As I said in another thread, I comb CL at least once a week.

I don't know jack on the differences of those two but...

The GCIII is gorgeous. My pick for sure. The ppl selling it are enthusiasts. They aren't coming off that price much I'm guessing. But that table is perfect I bet.

The 4, those ppl want to get the hell out of there, are recreational players at best is my thinking. I'd lowball the $%^ out of them.

When I got the 4 ppl to bottom, I'd contact the ppl w the three and say look, I can get this for x, you guys wanna sell the 3 for that, let me know.
I comb CL daily. Heck, I comb CL several times a day on some days.

The GC III is a good looking table and you are right about them not coming off the price. They had that same table months and months ago for pretty much same price and they are still asking same for it. Well, they have went from $3,000 to $2,950....lol....then again price is not the biggest factor to me.

To me if it does not play extremely close.......I mean so close that the most experienced would not know the difference......well, then that table is not worth what they are asking (to me).

BTW, I have not called either seller as of yet. I hate for people to call me when I sell something and just kick the tires.

If I decide I want a GC I will at that time contact them and try to work out a deal........by then it may be gone.........then again, they have had it for a long time now.
  
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01-11-2017, 06:27 AM

I have had both a GC III and a GC IV in my house (Still have a Black GC IV). The IV is the better table for a couple reasons. The pockets are recessed flat with the top of the rails, the IV also has better leg leveling and slate leveling (something a table mechanic I am sure can better explain). But for me as a player, the recessed pockets on the top rail is a huge bonus. My current GC IV has 4 1/2" pockets (now called a Tournament Edition with the V). I have a couple local rooms with Diamonds, so good to have a GC at home. It is never good to just play on one type of table. I personally like a well set up GC IV over the Diamonds shelf design.


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01-11-2017, 09:37 AM

Just have a good local installer put the table together. The GC3 had already been worked on by Mark Gregory.

3000+500 shipping + 400 install.

You should be gtg at 4K.

New Diamond pro-am + cyclops = $5500 + shipping

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Just have a good local installer put the table together. The GC3 had already been worked on by Mark Gregory.

3000+500 shipping + 400 install.

You should be gtg at 4K.

New Diamond pro-am + cyclops = $5500 + shipping

But once, cry once.
I'm not aware of a good installer in my area. The only guy in my area that I would trust is no longer in this line of work due to injury.
  
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I'm not aware of a good installer in my area. The only guy in my area that I would trust is no longer in this line of work due to injury.
I never look in my area for a table mechanic. The best ones usually travel a lot (not to say all do). Shane Johnson setup my table (his handle is "Cuephoric" on AZ). He is out of Texas but travels a lot so might check and see if he might be around your way soon. He moved my table from PA to VA on his way back to Texas. And he did so at a fair price.

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01-13-2017, 07:03 AM

Ok guys. I just spoke to someone that has personal experience with the GC III.

Before telling me what he knew he ask that I give my word not to mention his name. I am a man of my word.

This is the main things I did not like about what he said:

The table plays like chit compared to other GC's that mark has done. He said that it is slow as hell. He also said their was a problem with the feather stripping.

He told me up front that he respected Mark and his work but I should stay away from this particular table as I would be buying the table based on Marks work in general and this table is not a good measure of his work. I do not know much about tables but the guy that I spoke to does and I will take his word.

Anyways, thanks for all the info and advice.

I am still on the lookout. So please PM me if you know of a table within a reasonable distance of my area.

I check my inbox every day or so.

Thanks........

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