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crww

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I was playing in my straight pool league last nite when the following situation came up. After being on 2 fouls I tried a safe shot but unfortunately scratched. I know it costs me 15 points, but I was under the impression that I had to rerack and do a break shot. My opponent said that he had the option of taking ball in hand behind the line. I tried to google it on phone. the 15 ball penalty came up, but no mention of what happens after.

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Craig
 
ugotactionTX

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he was correct.

The incoming player has a choice... accepting the table in position with the cue ball in hand behind the head string, or having all 15 balls re-racked and requiring the player that fouled break with the same rules as the opening break
 
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crww said:
I was playing in my straight pool league last nite when the following situation came up. After being on 2 fouls I tried a safe shot but unfortunately scratched. I know it costs me 15 points, but I was under the impression that I had to rerack and do a break shot. My opponent said that he had the option of taking ball in hand behind the line. I tried to google it on phone. the 15 ball penalty came up, but no mention of what happens after.

Thanks,
Craig
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He has the option of not re racking the balls and playing the next shot from where the cue ball lies after your failed safe attempt. However, if you third failed safe attempt resulted in the cue ball being pocketed or leaving the table entirely, then he can place the cue ball anywhere behind the headstring and can shoot at any ball forward of the headstring without re racking the balls. he can also choose a full rerack of all 15 balls and you then must break according to the opening break rules.
 
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ugotactionTX said:
he was correct.

The incoming player has a choice... accepting the table in position with the cue ball in hand behind the head string, or having all 15 balls re-racked and requiring the player that fouled break with the same rules as the opening break
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No -- there used to be a choice, but not for quite a few years now (at least in the WPA world-standardized rules and in the CSI rules). The player who committed the 3 successive fouls must re-break all 15 balls under opening break requirements.
 
ugotactionTX

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welp

there you have it...

AtLarge said:
No -- there used to be a choice, but not for quite a few years now (at least in the WPA world-standardized rules and in the CSI rules). The player who committed the 3 successive fouls must re-break all 15 balls under opening break requirements.
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ugotactionTX said:
he was correct.

The incoming player has a choice... accepting the table in position with the cue ball in hand behind the head string, or having all 15 balls re-racked and requiring the player that fouled break with the same rules as the opening break
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This is incorrect. It's an automatic rerack and offending player breaks.
This rule was changed some years back. At one time the incoming player had the option but it was to accept the table as it lay not to get BIH behind the line.
That was never an option.
You have a choice in the event of an illegal break but not 3 fouls.
 
pt109

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AtLarge said:
No -- there used to be a choice, but not for quite a few years now (at least in the WPA world-standardized rules and in the CSI rules). The player who committed the 3 successive fouls must re-break all 15 balls under opening break requirements.
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Thanx, AtLarge...I was getting confused...
..I've always played total re-rack.
 
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sparkle84 said:
This is incorrect. It's an automatic rerack and offending player breaks.
This rule was changed some years back. At one time the incoming player had the option but it was to accept the table as it lay not to get BIH behind the line.
That was never an option.
You have a choice in the event of an illegal break but not 3 fouls.
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The history of three-foul rule has been discussed before. 50 years ago it was the same as today -- mandatory re-rack and break. In between someone thought they would "fix" the rule and put in an option. I think it may have been to avoid the following situation:

The player is on two fouls. He shoots a hard cut shot that misses and the cue ball breaks the rack wide open leaving 8 easy shots. A ball is rolling back towards him, slowly. He stays in position on the table until the ball hits him. "Oops, that's three. Rack'em up."

The correct rule to apply to that situation is unsportsmanlike conduct. If I'm the ref, he loses the match.
 
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BTW. It's a 18 teen ball foul. Add the 3 fouls and then - the 15 balls. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Fenwick said:
BTW. It's a 18 teen ball foul. Add the 3 fouls and then - the 15 balls. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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-1 on the first foul, -1 on the second foul, -1 plus -15 (-16) on the 3rd foul. All totaled between the 3 fouls, it is -18, but not -18 on the third foul alone.
 
pt109

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Fenwick said:
BTW. It's a 18 teen ball foul. Add the 3 fouls and then - the 15 balls. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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ChrisinNC said:
-1 on the first foul, -1 on the second foul, -1 plus -15 (-16) on the 3rd foul. All totaled between the 3 fouls, it is -18, but not -18 on the third foul alone.
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I've always played a three-foul as a total of 17 in the hole...
...doesn't seem right to add on an extra foul for the third one...that's double jeopardy.

..at nine ball, doesn't matter how many infractions you make on one shot...
...it's ONE ball in hand.

Hopefully, an expert will come along and clarify....BOB!!!!!!!
 
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pt109 said:
I've always played a three-foul as a total of 17 in the hole...
...doesn't seem right to add on an extra foul for the third one...that's double jeopardy.

..at nine ball, doesn't matter how many infractions you make on one shot...
...it's ONE ball in hand.

Hopefully, an expert will come along and clarify....BOB!!!!!!!
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BCA 14.1 rules - a point is subtracted for the 3rd foul, plus another 15 for a total of -16 for the 3rd foul.
 
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ChrisinNC said:
BCA 14.1 rules - a point is subtracted for the 3rd foul, plus another 15 for a total of -16 for the 3rd foul.
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That's the way it's been for a long, long time. A total of -18 for the 3 consecutive shots.
 
WildWing

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Just the facts, ma'am. Just the facts...

All the best,
WW
 

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WildWing

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pt109 said:
Rules have changed since that book was published, I'm pretty sure.
If you knock an object ball off the table, it is now a foul.
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Not to doubt, you could be right. But, I think the old three ball foul is still the standard, which was the discussion.

But, do you recall, in either the 1989 or 1992 US Straight pool tournament, Chicago in 1989, and New York in 1992, the three ball foul was 30 points, rather than 15. I think it was 1992.

Love trivia.

All the best,
WW
 
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