What makes a good/bad Tour

covikebron

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Hello everyone,
I understand my question has a lot of moving parts but here goes. In you opinion, what is needed to make a successful tour and also what will sink one? We have all seen numerous tours come and go throughout the years and besides the obvious of greed, what else will make or break a tour?
Thanks
 

Bob Jewett

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... what is needed to make a successful tour and also what will sink one? ...
The money has to be there every time. The rules need to be consistent and applied fairly, especially to the TD's friends. The matches have to start on time and end on time. There have to be refs and they need to know what they're doing. Racking/breaking needs to be solved. The results have to be posted and broadcast. The games (at least one table) need to be streamed. The tour has to keep the room owners happy.

The first item requires sponsors. Kind of a chicken and egg problem.
 

Pete

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The money has to be there every time. The rules need to be consistent and applied fairly, especially to the TD's friends. The matches have to start on time and end on time. There have to be refs and they need to know what they're doing. Racking/breaking needs to be solved. The results have to be posted and broadcast. The games (at least one table) need to be streamed. The tour has to keep the room owners happy.

The first item requires sponsors. Kind of a chicken and egg problem.

I think Mr Jewett has given the best/most complete answer to this question.

In the MA area there was the Killer B tour. Mario (don't remember his last name) ran it. I thought it was the best amateur tournament I've seen or played in. If I ever won the lottery I would do my best to employ him to start it up again. I miss the Killer Bs...
 
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Island Drive

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Hello everyone,
I understand my question has a lot of moving parts but here goes. In you opinion, what is needed to make a successful tour and also what will sink one? We have all seen numerous tours come and go throughout the years and besides the obvious of greed, what else will make or break a tour?
Thanks

Your question sounds like something a dad would tell his son, or a question a son would ask a dad about life. It all comes down to integrity, fair play, rules and funding. It's the same as developing a life long relationship with anything that's important to you. If your upbringing makes that difficult. Well, get more educated....that's how life rolls.
 
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middleofnowhere

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Hello everyone,
I understand my question has a lot of moving parts but here goes. In you opinion, what is needed to make a successful tour and also what will sink one? We have all seen numerous tours come and go throughout the years and besides the obvious of greed, what else will make or break a tour?
Thanks

Consistency. Fair rules that don't keep changing. The money doesn't have to be great for people to play. But it should be fair and not all top end. Manly though it should be fun for the players. I have played in so many small tournaments where those putting it on acted like they hated doing it. Just a few observations
 

covikebron

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Ok, thanks for those. Now how about these. Pros vs no pros? Semi pros? How to determine semi pro? If regional tour, how many stops per year? Tour champion at end of year? Green fee amounts?
Pool rooms or venues with tour owned tables?
Thanks
 

Celophanewrap

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Lots of Money,
Verifiable funds,
Multiple events,
Credible, committed, verifiable corporate sponsorship
Immediate Cash Pay Outs,
Attractive geographical locations and venues
=
Good Tour

No cash on hand,
Broken promises,
Many cut corners and 3rd rate equipment and staff,
=
Bad Tour
 

covikebron

Registered
Lots of Money,
Verifiable funds,
Multiple events,
Credible, committed, verifiable corporate sponsorship
Immediate Cash Pay Outs,
Attractive geographical locations and venues
=
Good Tour

No cash on hand,
Broken promises,
Many cut corners and 3rd rate equipment and staff,
=
Bad Tour

Question for the locations and venues. Which venues are most attractive to players? Casinos? Pool rooms? Convention space?
With the multiple events, which 2 would most players want 8-9-10 ?
 

zpele

AzB Silver Member
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The tour director can’t take too big a cut. There is a tour around me that I refuse to play in because the payouts are too small. Not going to name names but it isn’t the Joss tour. That is run perfectly.
 

Dan Harriman

One of the best in 14.1
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Hm

Well I don't have a marketing degree, I would suggest starting with a small quality field of players. Bring back 14.1 and $ in escrow, also refs are a must. I have been on the end of not having a ref (bad actor opponent) and also not getting paid after seeing in a magazine that I did. Both spots are not fun. Maybe I'm wrong bout the small field, I do think the promoter will need to figure on investing some $ at first before it begins to move all the parts together. If people at home want to bet online - then so be it, the underground gambling gangs need to go and so does the computer draw.
 
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Dan Harriman

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wow

I guess the underground gambling ring - hacked their cyber hat in the az matrix. I don't support underground gamblin gangs and their phony agenda - I guess they want us to know they think they own the gambling hustlin' bs side of pool. The law will change as people are waking up. I'm sure we will hear nothin but the sounds of silence on this but as I previously stated I speak the truth and see rt through their underground corrupt racket. Back in - and on a straight line - straightest distance between two points.
 

Celophanewrap

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Question for the locations and venues. Which venues are most attractive to players? Casinos? Pool rooms? Convention space?
With the multiple events, which 2 would most players want 8-9-10 ?

Well gee, I suppose you'd have to ask the players.

Personally I'd much rather play in tour events that were in places like LA, San Diego,
Sacramento, Seattle, Portland, Las Vegas Reno, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Denver,
Kansas City, St. Louis, San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Chicago, Miami, Orlando,
Washington DC, New York,.... places like that.

Bigger cities, more things to offer, hotel ball rooms or convention facilities.

I would think that although places like Cozad, Nebraska; Rifle, Colorado;
Kalispell, Montana; Marblehead, Ohio; or Amenia, New York are beautiful in
their own way, they wouldn't be optimum places to hold to hold tour events.

As far as multiple events, instead of 2 of 8, 9, or 10, ball, how about side by side Men's
and Women's events, or a major tour event at the SBE, or side by side with the APA
events. Imagine an event in Phoneix - The South West 10 Ball Championship, side by side
with the WPBA Phoenix 9 Ball Open, and The APA South West Challenge 8 Ball tournament.

What are your thoughts?

I appreciate your question, but I do detect a note of sarcasm and contempt emulating
from your response. Open up a little, if no one had the courage to opine about the
future you'd be playing pool by candlelight and using a mace to do it.
 
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Dan Harriman

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Well gee, I suppose you'd have to ask the players.

Personally I'd much rather play in tour events that were in places like LA, San Diego,
Sacramento, Seattle, Portland, Las Vegas Reno, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Denver,
Kansas City, St. Louis, San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Chicago, Miami, Orlando,
Washington DC, New York,.... places like that.

Bigger cities, more things to offer, hotel ball rooms or convention facilities.

I would think that although places like Cozad, Nebraska; Rifle, Colorado;
Kalispell, Montana; Marblehead, Ohio; or Amenia, New York are beautiful in
their own way, they wouldn't be optimum places to hold to hold tour events.

As far as multiple events, instead of 2 of 8, 9, or 10, ball, how about side by side Men's
and Women's events, or a major tour event at the SBE, or side by side with the APA
events. Imagine an event in Phoneix - The South West 10 Ball Championship, side by side
with the WPBA Phoenix 9 Ball Open, and The APA South West Challenge 8 Ball tournament.

What are your thoughts?

I appreciate your question, but I do detect a note of sarcasm and contempt emulating
from your response. Open up a little, if no one had the courage to opine about the
future you'd be playing pool by candlelight and using a mace to do it.

I'm no longer a 'fool for the city'. Y'all are funny with yer big city stuff - good lack with that.
 

Dan Harriman

One of the best in 14.1
Silver Member
I'm sure some people would love the smaller town circuit, it ain't fer me. I think small
towns are depressing.

No it's not that, just find it kinda funny that know one will touch the fact that in some other countries people are allowed to wager online if they have a favorite player. In USA they go through bookies, sometimes this can get shady and it's all about who you know. Not sure but if Tredough could have sold the ipt tour to the fellow from Hong Kong (who wanted online gambling to pass here in USA and it did not) - I would be financially secure - as I had already qualified. Lacing a wager should not be about 'who you know' in the hustlin' community of degenerates.
 
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Dan Harriman

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the subject of pool

No it's not that, just find it kinda funny that know one will touch the fact that in some other countries people are allowed to wager online if they have a favorite player. In USA they go through bookies, sometimes this can get shady and it's all about who you know. Not sure but if Tredough could have sold the ipt tour to the fellow from Hong Kong (who wanted online gambling to pass here in USA and it did not) - I would be financially secure - as I had already qualified. Placing a wager should not be about 'who you know' in the hustlin' community of degenerates.I guess their not all degenerates - but the one's that helped squash the online gambling bill were protecting their own selfish interest.
 
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