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Stroking not poking - 11-16-2017, 06:16 PM

Why am I having challenges stroking through the ball vs. poking?

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11-17-2017, 06:12 PM

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Why am I having challenges stroking through the ball vs. poking?

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When trying to improve a stroke flaw, it is necessary to concentrate during practice on what you are doing. Your brain must be engaged fully into correcting your flaw. After several repetitions, your "new stroke" will become automatic.
  
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11-19-2017, 02:48 PM

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Why am I having challenges stroking through the ball vs. poking?

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Try thinking only about following through. Don't cut it short. A short follow through is an indication of a poke. It's really hard to poke if you are following through properly.


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11-20-2017, 07:02 AM

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Why am I having challenges stroking through the ball vs. poking?

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Hal Houle quote...Ēsometimes I stroke Ďem and sometimes I poke ĎemĒ...this was his response to your question asked on a forum years ago...
  
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11-21-2017, 09:37 AM

John...I'm thinking that you're failing to finish your stroke to your chest, like I showed you. Give me a call and I can talk you through this.

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01-21-2018, 07:08 AM

Yep ... look forward to seeing you.

Have improved, but still a way to go to the Derby :-)
  
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01-21-2018, 07:25 PM

When I was starting out someone told me to stay down and follow through even if I shoot the ball straight into the rail..... I think beginners got sidetracked by making the ball that they forget fundamental sometimes.....just my 2 cents
  
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01-24-2018, 07:13 AM

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When trying to improve a stroke flaw, it is necessary to concentrate during practice on what you are doing. Your brain must be engaged fully into correcting your flaw. After several repetitions, your "new stroke" will become automatic.
Hmmm...

I just helped a student with something like this yesterday. If your backstroke is varying in length, your forward stroke will tend to vary:

1) Pick bridge length of stroke you want to practice, say, 9 inches between cue ball and your bridge hand

2) Wrap a rubber band around the ferrule of your stick where the ferrule meets the shaft

3) On practice strokes and final strokes, feel the rubber band touch your bridge hand

The reason to come all the way back is this, with most any length of bridge, if you stroke smoothly and completely back all the way, it will be difficult to do anything but stroke smoothly forward through the cue ball.


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Hmmm...

I just helped a student with something like this yesterday. If your backstroke is varying in length, your forward stroke will tend to vary:

1) Pick bridge length of stroke you want to practice, say, 9 inches between cue ball and your bridge hand

2) Wrap a rubber band around the ferrule of your stick where the ferrule meets the shaft

3) On practice strokes and final strokes, feel the rubber band touch your bridge hand

The reason to come all the way back is this, with most any length of bridge, if you stroke smoothly and completely back all the way, it will be difficult to do anything but stroke smoothly forward through the cue ball.
Tried Matt's idea .... works!!!!!!!
  
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01-25-2018, 06:26 PM

This is a major reason why I made the DigiCue. The Follow Through parameter measures how punchy or how smooth your follow through is. As you experiment the numbers will increase when you get the follow through correct, and will quickly validate that feeling so that you will remember. It's a coach that is always there for you.


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01-25-2018, 06:37 PM

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Why am I having challenges stroking through the ball vs. poking?

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Hope these help.

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01-25-2018, 08:05 PM

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Good info I was talking about that in a soup bowl hat along time ago lol.

One edit Lee needs to correct is thatís not a slip stroke heís describing.

Thatís known as stroke slip or dart stroke among others.

A slip stroke during the final back swing the grip hand loosens just enough the hand slides back on the cue, but the cue doesnít really move back much during this.

Once the hand basically regrips it delivers the shot forward.

Of a true follow through Iíd say technically this would be the way to maximize it the most.

I think follow through even when talking about. Piston stroke/ elbow drop isnt good or true.

Being that the tip going fRther through the cb doesnít equate to more power and spin then any possible gain one could get would have to be that of leverage.

Slip stroke does have more leverage due to hand placement.

There is no follow through.....that word is worse than ld or grip lol.

There is completing the stroke. Motion has an end.

Velocity entering the ball isnít increased by trying to extend the penetration distance throwing the arm forward (long after the mall has been away albeit), neither is any kind of accuracy.

Golfers and ball players go hip to shoulder or shoulder to shoulder.

If the hands arenít finishing there will be lost power in the motion. Deceleration of the vector.

The idea itself lends its hand to controlling and manipulating the cue during delivery with the arm.

When the arm needs to be trained like a Hinge with a spring attached to a bar.

You pull it back and itís locked when you let it go the spring releases the stored energy and the arm swings until it traps itself at the dead. A repetitive compact motion

And a compact motion is powerful, and simple to maintain consistency of accuracy with that power which also gains better consistency, a lot of it due to timing. Complicating timing of motions will never aid anything but one can learn to use difficult timing if they do choose of course.

A player could practice a pendulum stroke while taking a poop or while walking the dog and it takes a poop.

At that moment heck yes drop and swing the elbow to scoop de poop

Just swing the arm as if nothing is there and itís not holding anything easy as rocket science 🤣



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