Chalk...
I would have to say, that I would think only "Blue Diamond" chalk would be fitting!
Nice table Jay!
I would have to say, that I would think only "Blue Diamond" chalk would be fitting!
Nice table Jay!
My new Diamond table!
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I'm glad your happy Jay. It was a pleasure working for you. I was stoked when you called and asked me to work on your table.
Mr. Jay,
All I can say is Awesome!!! I love it. You are still the man!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
Diamond ?
As all the other posters have said, the table looks GREAT! Reading about your table "upgrade" makes me consider the same for my table. I have the Professional which is approx 10 years old and has a Cherry finish. Although it still looks good the wood rails has the inevitable, it seems, dimples and dings that happen with use. What I wasn't aware of was is there is a "blue label" vs a "red label" (which mine is). My question is, are there other variations available and what are the differences? Not to inquire for exact cost amount but is the price consideration $2-3K range? Oh, and by the way, I noticed Fatboy offered to buy you dinner in LA, well regretably, I have never met either of you, but I offer you each a choice barbecue possum dinner with trimmings and sipping smooth white lighting beverage should either find yourselves passing through Chattanooga, Tn.
As all the other posters have said, the table looks GREAT! Reading about your table "upgrade" makes me consider the same for my table. I have the Professional which is approx 10 years old and has a Cherry finish. Although it still looks good the wood rails has the inevitable, it seems, dimples and dings that happen with use. What I wasn't aware of was is there is a "blue label" vs a "red label" (which mine is). My question is, are there other variations available and what are the differences? Not to inquire for exact cost amount but is the price consideration $2-3K range? Oh, and by the way, I noticed Fatboy offered to buy you dinner in LA, well regretably, I have never met either of you, but I offer you each a choice barbecue possum dinner with trimmings and sipping smooth white lighting beverage should either find yourselves passing through Chattanooga, Tn.
They changed the rail angles and the rubber too (IIRC). The result is that they bank much truer (the red logo banks real short), balls tend to hop the rail on the red logo, and the red logo rails are too fast... All of it equaled a table that played pretty bad, IMO.
The difference on a 9'er is huge, the difference on Diamond bar tables is astronomical!!! So much so that I HATE THE RED LOGO BAR TABLES, a Valley bar box with Ridgeback rails is a MUCH better table than the red logo BB. The difference is so drastic that Diamond would be doing themselves a big favor in the long run by swapping out the red logo BB's for blues. Blue is the best BB ever made while red is way down on the list....
It is a Pro-Am with one piece slate. I bought it after it was used in a Reno tourney three years ago. Real King Cobra originally installed it. The info offered about the rail differences are correct. No more bouncing banks (although it was never really a problem). I could have just had my table recovered but the rails were kind of messed up and I wanted the new blue label rubber. You can do it one of two ways. Either have a whole new set of rails made up for you (more expensive but quicker) or have Donnie (or ?) come out, remove your rails and redo them and then return to put them back on (a much longer process). Going with all new rails added $500 to the price but that's why it looks like a brand new table. It was $1,700 as opposed to $1,200. One place I won't skimp is on my table.
It did look too pretty to play on but my buddy Adrian (he works with Al Romero in his shop) came by and broke it in for me last night. The original pockets were 4.5" and the new ones are 4 3/8. Slight difference but I know it will play great when it's broken in a little. Come by anytime your in the area. You too Mr. Fatboy. Get me now before I get back in stroke. :thumbup:
It did look too pretty to play on but my buddy Adrian (he works with Al Romero in his shop) came by and broke it in for me last night. The original pockets were 4.5" and the new ones are 4 3/8. Slight difference but I know it will play great when it's broken in a little. Come by anytime your in the area. You too Mr. Fatboy. Get me now before I get back in stroke. :thumbup:
You lucky spoiled SOB!!!
This upgrade is going to suck you into playing more and more, and you're going to grow a ball fo sho!
Enjoy!
This upgrade is going to suck you into playing more and more, and you're going to grow a ball fo sho!
Enjoy!
In the past, the guts of the two tables were different. But in the recent few years, I believe they are identical. Both tables have the same leveling system, and both can be had with a 1 or a 3 piece slate. You just have to order them in the configuration you want. Both can be had with the Dymondwood rails. So the only remaining difference is in their visual appearance below the rails, which is subjective. I like the Professional's visual appearance more
Jay, I like the way you put a line from to foot spot to the end rail. This helps in spotting balls and in racking straight. I wish all tables had this but for some unknown reason it is seldom done.
I also like to have a line drawn through the head spot to the side rails to clearly designate the 'kitchen'. Why aren't more tables marked like this? Or have you seen this more frequently in other areas of the country?
I also like to have a line drawn through the head spot to the side rails to clearly designate the 'kitchen'. Why aren't more tables marked like this? Or have you seen this more frequently in other areas of the country?
What kind of weight do I get now?
Jay, do you play any 1pocket? I will be in LA for a couple of days, early April. I could get away during the day for a few hours if you wanted to learn
Lou Figueroa
Jay, looks fantastic and I'm sure it plays the same. I thought you had purchased an Anniversary a while back. Steve
Frames are Different
Unless there has been a recent change, the framing is solid wood in the Pro Am and engineered wood in the Professional.
In the past, the guts of the two tables were different. But in the recent few years, I believe they are identical. Both tables have the same leveling system, and both can be had with a 1 or a 3 piece slate. You just have to order them in the configuration you want. Both can be had with the Dymondwood rails. So the only remaining difference is in their visual appearance below the rails, which is subjective. I like the Professional's visual appearance more
Unless there has been a recent change, the framing is solid wood in the Pro Am and engineered wood in the Professional.
nice!!1 i'm not instroke either. Adrian is a great guy, ill find you this week, and buy dinner:thumbup: