So last night at the pool hall a scotch doubles action match is under way. One player makes his ball and as he stands up bumps the 8b, which drops straight in the pocket. Opinions between players and on the rail differ, with opinions being:
1. Loss of game.
2. Foul and loss of turn, but not loss of game. 8b is replaced.
3. No foul. 8b is replaced and shooter continues.
Players sort-of agree that they are playing BCA rules.
Opinion is solicited on social media, with mixed results.
Before scrolling down to see the answer, consider what you think the answer is, or should be?
Answer: Under the rules of the BCA pool league (CSI), #3 is correct. No foul, ball is replaced and play continues.
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6. If a single disturbed ball falls into a pocket with no effect on the outcome of a shot, your opponent has the restoration option. However, if the disturbed ball is designated by specific game rules as the game winning ball, it must be restored. If the game-winning ball is disturbed and falls into a pocket when there is an effect on the outcome of the shot, it is loss of game.
7. It is a foul if:
a. you disturb the cue ball;
b. you disturb more than one object ball;
c. a disturbed ball contacts any other ball;
d. you disturb a ball that is in motion.
Your opponent has no restoration option. If the game-winning ball is disturbed in conjunction with a violation of (a) through (d) and falls into a pocket, it is loss of game.
Interestingly, it is also specifically dealt with in VNEA, which says it is a loss of game (maybe at least in part because of the extra quarters required to get the 8b back on a coin-op). http://www.vnea.com/8-ball-rules.aspx
8. ACCIDENTALLY moving or touching any ball is not a foul unless: 1) the moved ball is the cue ball or 2) a moved ball makes contact with the cue ball or 3) a moved ball that is jumped off the table or pocketed or causes any ball to be jumped off the table or pocketed. (exception to #3: If the 8-ball is jumped off the table or pocketed it is loss of game if called by the opponent before the next shot is taken). Only opponent may replace the ball moved as closely as possible or leave it where it rests. If the shooter replaces the moved ball, it will be considered a foul.
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Ultimately, the players agreed to spot the 8b and continue (although there was some b*tching!). The rail remained divided.
1. Loss of game.
2. Foul and loss of turn, but not loss of game. 8b is replaced.
3. No foul. 8b is replaced and shooter continues.
Players sort-of agree that they are playing BCA rules.
Opinion is solicited on social media, with mixed results.
Before scrolling down to see the answer, consider what you think the answer is, or should be?
Answer: Under the rules of the BCA pool league (CSI), #3 is correct. No foul, ball is replaced and play continues.
From 1-33 http://www.playcsipool.com/uploads/7/3/5/9/7359673/official_rules_of_csi__170714_.pdf
6. If a single disturbed ball falls into a pocket with no effect on the outcome of a shot, your opponent has the restoration option. However, if the disturbed ball is designated by specific game rules as the game winning ball, it must be restored. If the game-winning ball is disturbed and falls into a pocket when there is an effect on the outcome of the shot, it is loss of game.
7. It is a foul if:
a. you disturb the cue ball;
b. you disturb more than one object ball;
c. a disturbed ball contacts any other ball;
d. you disturb a ball that is in motion.
Your opponent has no restoration option. If the game-winning ball is disturbed in conjunction with a violation of (a) through (d) and falls into a pocket, it is loss of game.
Interestingly, it is also specifically dealt with in VNEA, which says it is a loss of game (maybe at least in part because of the extra quarters required to get the 8b back on a coin-op). http://www.vnea.com/8-ball-rules.aspx
8. ACCIDENTALLY moving or touching any ball is not a foul unless: 1) the moved ball is the cue ball or 2) a moved ball makes contact with the cue ball or 3) a moved ball that is jumped off the table or pocketed or causes any ball to be jumped off the table or pocketed. (exception to #3: If the 8-ball is jumped off the table or pocketed it is loss of game if called by the opponent before the next shot is taken). Only opponent may replace the ball moved as closely as possible or leave it where it rests. If the shooter replaces the moved ball, it will be considered a foul.
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Ultimately, the players agreed to spot the 8b and continue (although there was some b*tching!). The rail remained divided.
