Theory v Application

duckie said:

Theory v Application.......in other words......it looks good on paper, but does in work in real life. Paper world versus real world.

What this means is how well do ideas that are represented on paper in a 2d world translate to being usable in the real 3d world.

Top and front perspective views of pool shots are only good to illustrate ideas and concepts but are useless for any form of aiming.

The pic below is real world view of shot......nothing like the top and perspective views so many want to use as a way to aim.

In this pic.....the balls are solid.........you cannot see inside them nor through them as some drawings seem illustrate can be done.

In this pic......the pov is not from overhead nor 1/2 ball above the table as used in many of the drawings, but from standing at the table in real life.

Use this drawing to illustrate what is done on paper in 2d....go ahead, I dare ya.

When designing a system, there are requirements than need to be determined first. It appears that the only requirement for many is the shot below. That is the only 2d drawings ever done for aiming when in the real pool playing world there are banks, caroms, combos, kicks and at times, a mix of shots...ie a combo that is a dead bank.

Oh the the good ole rail first.

So, in order to use the ideas that so many seem to think are wonderful on paper require you to live in a make believe world. You have to imagine things that are not there, which makes all aiming system subjective.

Why? Why add this extra lever of difficulty just because it might look good on paper?

If the OB is this far from pocket than do this, I mean really.......way too many unnecessary steps to worry about.

And yes.....unnecessary in the real pool playing world......how can I say such blasphemy......cause I play pool and never have had do anything different in aiming or stroking based on how far the OB is from the pocket.

But then again, I don't aim......I place balls at various points on the table.

Oh whats the angle? 14, 15, 16 ......anyone?

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BC21 said:

The 8ball shot is a 7/8 hit using fractional aim points. If you had the same angle from 7ft
out it would still be a 7/8 shot.

The 6 passing the 9 is a low percentage shot for the average player. It requires a certain feel
to hit that gap. We may have that feel because we've played a lifetime to get it. Aiming
methods/systems are not intended to help players that have such a feel. They are intended
to help players develop a feel. Eventually, whether a player learns with CTE or fractional ball
aiming, or whatever, that player will develop a feel for shots like this 6 ball.

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duckie said:

When I walk up to a table that I randomly rolled the balls out onto the table, the pic below is a example of what I may see.
The killer of all aiming systems is spin. Once any from of spin is used, every system fails. Even when this is mentioned, in passing by the system designer, it gets overlooked. This is why aiming systems look good on paper, but are not truely able to be applied in the real world.
Roll 15 out there and use nothing but high inside on all cut shots. Meaning if the cut shot is a right cut into a corner, then use top right spin. That drive the sticking aiming and pivot boys crazy.
Well, maybe is just that it proves them wrong in there thinking and just too willing to remain ignorant of the real world.....unwilling to learn and grow.....ie flat world thinkers of old.

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duckie said:

When I walk up to a table that I randomly rolled the balls out onto the table, the pic below is a example of what I may see.

What I do with them depends on what the objective is of that roll out.

The objective could be any one of the following:
Any ball, any pocket, any spin
Any ball, any pocket, specific type of spin
Stripes then solids, solids then stripes
Solid, stripe, solid, stripe.....
banks....one two,three rails
carom
combos
Any combination of the above three
kicks....one, two, three rail
Safety battles with myself
And a few more, this is just a short list

Some of the shooting positions could be:
shooting jacked up over a ball
shooting one handed
shooting behind my back
shooting with the CB frozen to a rail
shooting goofy footed
shooting leaned out across the table, cue no where under my head
shooting with the bridge
and a few more

This list comes from what I have experienced in spending alot of time at the table. This list are the requirements I judge any aiming system on.

The killer of all aiming systems is spin. Once any from of spin is used, every system fails. Even when this is mentioned, in passing by the system designer, it gets overlooked. This is why aiming systems look good on paper, but are not truely able to be applied in the real world.

Kinda like thinking the world is flat......looks good on paper, but in reality, it aint so.

Roll 15 out there and use nothing but high inside on all cut shots. Meaning if the cut shot is a right cut into a corner, then use top right spin. That drive the sticking aiming and pivot boys crazy.

Freeze a OB next to the CB and shot jacked up.......what now with the bridge hand needs to be xx distance away?

Use the bridge........how the hell you gonna get your head over the cue?

Oh.........I made the 6 past the 9......wasn't a low percentage shot for me.

Every shot I post.......I made...........first try.....no miss and try again, no practice then film as was done with the curtain shots.

I'm about mastering pool, not going from a APA 3 to APA 4. This prevents me from accepting any form of bullshit about what it takes to do so.

This is also why I want those that do have the same level of passion to master the games of pool to understand what it truely takes which does not include any make believe, pretending things are there when they are not.

Its amazing one little guy can cause such a uproar......just because I refuse to believe in things that are wrong.........like spheres have edges, you can hit fraction of a ball and there are objective aiming systems. (Just waiting to be misquoted on the last one.....as people with no character are apt to do.)

Well, maybe is just that it proves them wrong in there thinking and just too willing to remain ignorant of the real world.....unwilling to learn and grow.....ie flat world thinkers of old.

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GoldenFlash said:

I just rolled out 15 and then 9. (24 total.)
Hit every shot using CTE and inside spin on all cut shots, like you demanded.....high and low. They all went in the pockets.
Your turn...................(I already know what you're going to say...and that is: "I don't believe you Flash, prove it")
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louieatienza said:

APA 3 running out 24 balls.... Yeah, right...

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GoldenFlash said:

You got it wrong again. You know, you're pretty good at that.
I'm now down to an APA 2....................and very proud of my accomplishments.
How about you?
:dance:

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duckie said:

When I walk up to a table that I randomly rolled the balls out onto the table, the pic below is a example of what I may see.

What I do with them depends on what the objective is of that roll out.

The objective could be any one of the following:
Any ball, any pocket, any spin
Any ball, any pocket, specific type of spin
Stripes then solids, solids then stripes
Solid, stripe, solid, stripe.....
banks....one two,three rails
carom
combos
Any combination of the above three
kicks....one, two, three rail
Safety battles with myself
And a few more, this is just a short list

Some of the shooting positions could be:
shooting jacked up over a ball
shooting one handed
shooting behind my back
shooting with the CB frozen to a rail
shooting goofy footed
shooting leaned out across the table, cue no where under my head
shooting with the bridge
and a few more

This list comes from what I have experienced in spending alot of time at the table. This list are the requirements I judge any aiming system on.

The killer of all aiming systems is spin. Once any from of spin is used, every system fails. Even when this is mentioned, in passing by the system designer, it gets overlooked. This is why aiming systems look good on paper, but are not truely able to be applied in the real world.

Kinda like thinking the world is flat......looks good on paper, but in reality, it aint so.

Roll 15 out there and use nothing but high inside on all cut shots. Meaning if the cut shot is a right cut into a corner, then use top right spin. That drive the sticking aiming and pivot boys crazy.

Freeze a OB next to the CB and shot jacked up.......what now with the bridge hand needs to be xx distance away?

Use the bridge........how the hell you gonna get your head over the cue?

Oh.........I made the 6 past the 9......wasn't a low percentage shot for me.

Every shot I post.......I made...........first try.....no miss and try again, no practice then film as was done with the curtain shots.

I'm about mastering pool, not going from a APA 3 to APA 4. This prevents me from accepting any form of bullshit about what it takes to do so.

This is also why I want those that do have the same level of passion to master the games of pool to understand what it truely takes which does not include any make believe, pretending things are there when they are not.

Its amazing one little guy can cause such a uproar......just because I refuse to believe in things that are wrong.........like spheres have edges, you can hit fraction of a ball and there are objective aiming systems. (Just waiting to be misquoted on the last one.....as people with no character are apt to do.)

Well, maybe is just that it proves them wrong in there thinking and just too willing to remain ignorant of the real world.....unwilling to learn and grow.....ie flat world thinkers of old.

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Straightpool_99 said:

Please make a video on how to play straight pool. I'd love to learn, maybe then I could be an APA 4, finally. Obviously I'd have to move to the States and join the APA first, but that would all be worth it. I mean I obviously have a lot to learn about leaning over the table without being behind the ball properly and shooting behind my back. Obviously I have been using the bridge wrong as well, since my head is perfectly in line with the cue, thus making aiming normally a trivial task.<===don't forget about learning (according to Duckie) there is no such thing as a half ball hit.

I see Golden Flash has now been demoted to an APA 2, which I think means he must have had gender reassignment surgery, since only women can be "APA 2s" from what I hear, but that 24 run sounded pretty impressive to me. I think maybe I should call myself an APA 1 for the time being. THAT is some funny stuff, my friend,.....gotta' like that sense of humor
(Along those lines, if my wife finds out I bought another, as she calls it, "damn fool pool stick".....there may be some gender changing surgery taking place while I'm sleeping)
Regards,
Flash

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louieatienza said:

Run 24 balls, even ball in hand, I'd put you at 4 or 5. So either somthing is amiss with the story, or the flood gates broke, cause that's some serious sandbagging.

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GoldenFlash said:

Straightpool_99 said:

Please make a video on how to play straight pool. I'd love to learn, maybe then I could be an APA 4, finally. Obviously I'd have to move to the States and join the APA first, but that would all be worth it. I mean I obviously have a lot to learn about leaning over the table without being behind the ball properly and shooting behind my back. Obviously I have been using the bridge wrong as well, since my head is perfectly in line with the cue, thus making aiming normally a trivial task.<===don't forget about learning (according to Duckie) there is no such thing as a half ball hit.

I see Golden Flash has now been demoted to an APA 2, which I think means he must have had gender reassignment surgery, since only women can be "APA 2s" from what I hear, but that 24 run sounded pretty impressive to me. I think maybe I should call myself an APA 1 for the time being. THAT is some funny stuff, my friend,.....gotta' like that sense of humor
(Along those lines, if my wife finds out I bought another, as she calls it, "damn fool pool stick".....there may be some gender changing surgery taking place while I'm sleeping)
Regards,
Flash
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LOL she might just use that new purchase to do the penectomy...

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duckie said:

When I walk up to a table that I randomly rolled the balls out onto the table, the pic below is a example of what I may see.

What I do with them depends on what the objective is of that roll out.

The objective could be any one of the following:
Any ball, any pocket, any spin
Any ball, any pocket, specific type of spin
Stripes then solids, solids then stripes
Solid, stripe, solid, stripe.....
banks....one two,three rails
carom
combos
Any combination of the above three
kicks....one, two, three rail
Safety battles with myself
And a few more, this is just a short list

Some of the shooting positions could be:
shooting jacked up over a ball
shooting one handed
shooting behind my back
shooting with the CB frozen to a rail
shooting goofy footed
shooting leaned out across the table, cue no where under my head
shooting with the bridge
and a few more

This list comes from what I have experienced in spending alot of time at the table. This list are the requirements I judge any aiming system on.

The killer of all aiming systems is spin. Once any from of spin is used, every system fails. Even when this is mentioned, in passing by the system designer, it gets overlooked. This is why aiming systems look good on paper, but are not truely able to be applied in the real world.

Kinda like thinking the world is flat......looks good on paper, but in reality, it aint so.

Roll 15 out there and use nothing but high inside on all cut shots. Meaning if the cut shot is a right cut into a corner, then use top right spin. That drive the sticking aiming and pivot boys crazy.

Freeze a OB next to the CB and shot jacked up.......what now with the bridge hand needs to be xx distance away?

Use the bridge........how the hell you gonna get your head over the cue?

Oh.........I made the 6 past the 9......wasn't a low percentage shot for me.

Every shot I post.......I made...........first try.....no miss and try again, no practice then film as was done with the curtain shots.

I'm about mastering pool, not going from a APA 3 to APA 4. This prevents me from accepting any form of bullshit about what it takes to do so.

This is also why I want those that do have the same level of passion to master the games of pool to understand what it truely takes which does not include any make believe, pretending things are there when they are not.

Its amazing one little guy can cause such a uproar......just because I refuse to believe in things that are wrong.........like spheres have edges, you can hit fraction of a ball and there are objective aiming systems. (Just waiting to be misquoted on the last one.....as people with no character are apt to do.)

Well, maybe is just that it proves them wrong in there thinking and just too willing to remain ignorant of the real world.....unwilling to learn and grow.....ie flat world thinkers of old.

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