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06-08-2010, 07:15 PM

I believe Tony "Flaco" Rodriguez has a high run of 214, he says he ran it in the early 1980's.

Also, Ginky's high run is listed as 252 but it says on his wikipedia page that he ran 344 last year at Slate billiards...don't know if it's true or not though.
  
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06-08-2010, 08:25 PM

i didn't see Dick Lane's name. i think he's over 300 balls....
  
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06-08-2010, 08:34 PM

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Hi Steve,

That's an interesting list, but a little hard to confirm. It would be nice to have a list of those who have run 100 in competition, which is a little easier to document and I think about as hard as doing 200 in practice.
Hi Bob,

I'll very respectfully disagree with you here on all counts . What would you deem competition? Just world championships, or any tournament? If it's just world championships, you're excluding lots of players who never had the chance to play in one (not to mention we went about 15 very recent years without one). If it's any sort of competition, I'm not sure it's any easier to document than my list. I've played in lots of 14.1 tournaments, some more legitimate than others, but I wasn't aware of much official record-keeping going on in really any of them. Additionally, tournaments have all different formats and trying to tease out useful high run information from them would prove challenging.

I guess we disagree on the comparative difficulty of running balls in practice or competition, because if anything I find practice more difficult to put up numbers. Most top players I've spoken with tend to agree with me here. Even if I were to put myself in the mindset of someone who believed practice was easier, I don't think you could convince me that running 200 was equivalent to 100 in competition. 200 is a ridiculously tough number to achieve. All things equal, it's not twice as difficult as 100. Tough to even venture a guess as to how much more difficult it is; maybe somewhere in the order of 80 to 100 times?

Finally, my goal was to compile a list of all the living players with the skill set to do something truly difficult. Is it arbitrary? Of course. Saying that Zion or Jon Smith or Jim Gottier or Tom Walter (just to name some top NYC players who've come super close but never hit the number) don't belong here is ridiculous. Similarly, players like Gabe Owen (just picking a random great player who probably never plays 14.1 at all) won't be on this list but clearly would make it if they gave it a serious shot. But that would be a similar problem on the 100-in-competition list.

I know there will be a few names on my list that probably never actually ran 200 but I do believe that by and large it can be accurate.

Your list would definitely have merit, but it's another concept entirely in my opinion.

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i didn't see Dick Lane's name. i think he's over 300 balls....
Mr. Lane was on the original list, Sausage.
  
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Thomas Engert 492
Gene Nagy 430
Dallas West 429
Ray Martin 426
Allen Hopkins 421
Thorsten Hohmann 408
Earl Strickland 408
Alain Martel 408
John Schmidt 400
300 Plus
Jose Garcia 396
Jack Colavita 385
Johnny Ervolino 361
Dennis Hatch 360
Klaus Zobreskis 356
Sailor Barge 356
George Mecula 336
Grady Mathews 327
Dick Leonard 326
Werner Duregger 326
Oliver Ortmann 326
Steve Mizerak 321
Pete Fusco 321
Mike Sigel 319
Irving Crane 309
Danny Di Liberto 308
Pan Ande 306
*200 Plus
Joe Canton 287
Ralph Greenleaf 287
Dan Barouty 287
Alex Lely 272
Daryl Peach 273
Mika Immonen 267
Vegar Kristansen 267
Tony Robles 267
Cisero Murphy 262
Vilmos Foldes 259
Neils Feijen 259
Nick Van Den Berg 258
Andy Toth 256
George Ginky SanSouci 252
Bobby Hunter 225
Mike Massey 224
Don Willis 216
Kevin Becker 216
David Sapolis 212
Cetin Aslin 207
Johnny Archer 200
Bob Maidhof ?
Jimmy Fusco ?
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I don't know if all these are alive though
Roy, though I did get some names from this list, its accuracy has been questioned in the past so I didn't want to use it for actual numbers.
  
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Exclamation Wayne Norcross' high run is 211 - 06-08-2010, 11:12 PM

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Another name I hear being thrown around with high runs in 14.1, is Wayne Norcross. I'm not sure of his high run, but perhaps someone on here might know -- or might be able to confirm with Wayne himself? (I don't know Wayne, I'm just going by memory from some videos that someone had posted in another forum about Wayne's beautiful slip-stroke.)

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Steve:

FYI, it looks like Wayne Norcross is also in the 200+ group, as described here:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=190028

Danny Kuykendal apparently has this info.

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Aki Heiskanen - 06-09-2010, 12:12 AM

Multiple time Finnish champion Aki Heiskanen has run 235.

Here is link to an article found on Finnish Billiards association's (SBIL) webpage. Although it's in finnish you will understand the number 235.

http://www.sbil.fi/fi_FI/liitto/uuti...ght%20Poolissa!!
  
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06-09-2010, 04:45 AM

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I would think George Rood should make that list of 200.
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06-09-2010, 05:28 AM

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I would think George Rood should make that list of 200.
Thanks, Jody
Hi Jody. Are you saying you know George ran 200, or you think he might have? Can anyone else chime in?

Also, can anyone help out with the Filipinos?

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06-09-2010, 06:15 AM

Spelling correction: George Pawalski vs Pawelski. There is also a Pawelski, same pronunciation, different spelling, whom I have not met, who is a very good player but whose high run I do not know.

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06-09-2010, 06:58 AM

Lots of additions to both the real list and the possible list.

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Cliff Thayer - 06-09-2010, 07:56 AM

Not a well known name.
Don't know if Cliff is still around.
Probably the best source of information is Ken "Sarge" Aylesworth, in Las Vegas.
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06-09-2010, 09:09 AM

Two very notable omissions are Tom Jennings, who won the US Open 14.1 event in both 1976 and 1977, and the legendary Eddie "Champagne Eddie" Kelly, a BCA Hall of Famer whose best game was 14.1.

Certainly, Frank McGown would have had many 200 ball runs to his credit, as well.

I have personal knowledge of a run of exactly 200 by Jose Parica, as he once mentioned to me that he'd run 200 and out in a gambling match.

A likely 200 ball runner is Ernie Costa, a top ten straight pooler of the late 1970's from Brooklyn, NY.

In addition, to the list of possibles, I'd add:

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Two very notable omissions are Tom Jennings, who won the US Open 14.1 event in both 1976 and 1977, and the legendary Eddie "Champagne Eddie" Kelly, a BCA Hall of Famer whose best game was 14.1.

Certainly, Frank McGown would have had many 200 ball runs to his credit, as well.

I have personal knowledge of a run of exactly 200 by Jose Parica, as he once mentioned to me that he'd run 200 and out in a gambling match.

A likely 200 ball runner is Ernie Costa, a top ten straight pooler of the late 1970's from Brooklyn, NY.

In addition, to the list of possibles, I'd add:

Bill Dunsmore
Tom Ruocco
Earl Herring
Thank you Stu. I was hoping you'd help out here!

The first three players you mentioned - Tom Jennings, Eddie Kelly, and Frank McGowan - they are still around, correct? I know it's very morbid to ask that question, but if we don't limit the list to "alive" then we are really opening a whole can of worms. There is no way we could hope to get a list of every person who ever lived who ran 200, but we might be able to do a decent job of every person currently around who did.

Good calls on the Bill Dunsmore and Earl Herring. I am fairly certain I had already added Tommy Ruocco to the Possibles.

Thanks for the info on Parica.

- Steve

P.S. I also added Ryan McCreesh, as I do remember him telling me he ran 200+ just before last year's Maryland tournament.

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06-09-2010, 10:33 AM

Richard Pecaroro (known as Richie Pec to most) from Bellmore, NY is a 200+ runner. When I took lessons from him 15 years ago (holy crap, it may have even been longer than that) his high run was 240 and that was on 4" pockets as that's all he plays on. As far as I'm concerned he's the best player that nobody knows.
  
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