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11-13-2017, 07:18 AM

I think the only way you get a true frantically hit using the edge is with a parrell shift to center.


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11-13-2017, 07:35 AM

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I think the only way you get a true frantically hit using the edge is with a parrell shift to center.
That's a good method to use when the center CB aim point is farther out from the OB edge, like a 1/4 or 1/8 fractional hit, and the balls are within a couple of feet of each other. Beyond that the shift should be more tapered than parallel, because the OB looks smaller as it gets farther away.


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You seem like a reasonably decent guy. I think you would benefit from focusing on the merits of your own aiming book and refrain from any negativity towards Stan, at least until you have some reasonable understanding of CTE. It's clear from many of your questions you are totally uninformed with respect to CTE.
And is this attitude towards any questions presented not the crux of the CTE matter?

You are obviously uninformed about CTE...so you shouldn't ask any questions about it....SOOOO learn it first, completely before you ask any questions??? Logic dictates that you learn about something you do not know about by asking questions.
  
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11-13-2017, 10:40 AM

To be honest, I have never played anyone claiming to be using CTE, would be interesting and fun to pick their brain I think. I have had people tell me they were using TOI, many that have been encouraged by Tor Lowry's efforts (to include myself), some that swear by DR Dave and even some that claimed to be using the shaft method or back of the ball...the best player I have ever played uses strictly feel, routinely runs racks in under 2 minutes and speaks of the game as if it were equal parts art, passion and love...his attitude is mesmerizing, I hope to one day emulate this attitude towards this great past-time.
  
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To be honest, I have never played anyone claiming to be using CTE, would be interesting and fun to pick their brain I think. I have had people tell me they were using TOI, many that have been encouraged by Tor Lowry's efforts (to include myself), some that swear by DR Dave and even some that claimed to be using the shaft method or back of the ball...the best player I have ever played uses strictly feel, routinely runs racks in under 2 minutes and speaks of the game as if it were equal parts art, passion and love...his attitude is mesmerizing, I hope to one day emulate this attitude towards this great past-time.
Sounds like the proper attitude and approach to the game


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And is this attitude towards any questions presented not the crux of the CTE matter?

You are obviously uninformed about CTE...so you shouldn't ask any questions about it....SOOOO learn it first, completely before you ask any questions??? Logic dictates that you learn about something you do not know about by asking questions.
No, it is not. There have been many that have been helped on here. Some of us have gone well out of our way to help. Even to guys like Brian and Dan.

The problem is guys that continue to ask the same questions over and over after being given the answer numerous times. It's not the asking, but the how they ask. They don't ask with a true desire to learn, but instead ask with a desire to nitpick and scoff. This becomes very evident by the questions asked, and the way they are worded.
  
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No, it is not. There have been many that have been helped on here. Some of us have gone well out of our way to help. Even to guys like Brian and Dan.

The problem is guys that continue to ask the same questions over and over after being given the answer numerous times. It's not the asking, but the how they ask. They don't ask with a true desire to learn, but instead ask with a desire to nitpick and scoff. This becomes very evident by the questions asked, and the way they are worded.
I am finished with questions. After Stan's latest videos, and going back to look at the 5 shots video, and thoroughly reading the info on Mohrt's website, I have learned enough to satisfy my curiosity, including the math that produces the various angles.

One odd thing in that 5 shots video is Stan says all 5 shots can be made with a 15-inside and a consistent pivot. That's simply not possible. The first shot with a 15-inside over-cuts the ball considerably. I find that the 15 perception puts me right on the proper CCB with no need for thinning or thickening. This makes sense, considering that a 15-inside creates the same cut angle as a 30-outside, and there's no way a 30-outside will make that ball without throwing it several degrees with a good stun shot. So 15-inside is too thin, while 15-outside is too thick. But the initial CCB I get from my perception lines is just right. It's one of those shots that I was questioning when I was told that there is always a pivot when using CTE. But I've found that there is a point where a 15-inside cuts the ball too much and a 15-outside doesn't cut it enough.


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11-14-2017, 01:53 AM

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And is this attitude towards any questions presented not the crux of the CTE matter?

You are obviously uninformed about CTE...so you shouldn't ask any questions about it....SOOOO learn it first, completely before you ask any questions??? Logic dictates that you learn about something you do not know about by asking questions.
There is a significant difference between genuinely asking questions to learn and questioning aspects of the system only in an effort to troll. Unfortunately I cannot do much to help with you understanding that since it apparently soared well over the top of your head.


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I am finished with questions. After Stan's latest videos, and going back to look at the 5 shots video, and thoroughly reading the info on Mohrt's website, I have learned enough to satisfy my curiosity, including the math that produces the various angles.

One odd thing in that 5 shots video is Stan says all 5 shots can be made with a 15-inside and a consistent pivot. That's simply not possible. The first shot with a 15-inside over-cuts the ball considerably. I find that the 15 perception puts me right on the proper CCB with no need for thinning or thickening. This makes sense, considering that a 15-inside creates the same cut angle as a 30-outside, and there's no way a 30-outside will make that ball without throwing it several degrees with a good stun shot. So 15-inside is too thin, while 15-outside is too thick. But the initial CCB I get from my perception lines is just right. It's one of those shots that I was questioning when I was told that there is always a pivot when using CTE. But I've found that there is a point where a 15-inside cuts the ball too much and a 15-outside doesn't cut it enough.
You are way off base with your assessment. Totally wrong. It's why you should just wait for the book.
  
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I am finished with questions. After Stan's latest videos, and going back to look at the 5 shots video, and thoroughly reading the info on Mohrt's website, I have learned enough to satisfy my curiosity, including the math that produces the various angles.

One odd thing in that 5 shots video is Stan says all 5 shots can be made with a 15-inside and a consistent pivot. That's simply not possible. The first shot with a 15-inside over-cuts the ball considerably. I find that the 15 perception puts me right on the proper CCB with no need for thinning or thickening. This makes sense, considering that a 15-inside creates the same cut angle as a 30-outside, and there's no way a 30-outside will make that ball without throwing it several degrees with a good stun shot. So 15-inside is too thin, while 15-outside is too thick. But the initial CCB I get from my perception lines is just right. It's one of those shots that I was questioning when I was told that there is always a pivot when using CTE. But I've found that there is a point where a 15-inside cuts the ball too much and a 15-outside doesn't cut it enough.
When you get your CTE/edge-to-A visuals for those 5 shots, while standing, how does the CB overlap the OB, is it the same or different?
  
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You are way off base with your assessment. Totally wrong. It's why you should just wait for the book.
My man, some of these fellas already had the conclusions to their questioning set in their minds before they ever started. That's the reality.
Their quest was not for learning facts, but to eventually be able to say to themselves..."I knew I was right all the time".
It's best to just let them go their merry way, using whatever methods and systems work for them.
Trying to assist them is a fruitless endeavor. All that results is a "back and forth...back and forth". And the outcome is usually the same
I heard one of the best pool players in the country, Jeremy Jones, last night commentating a match at Fleming's tournament. JJ was talking to Schuman about aiming. JJ said..."he believed the best aiming was done with his feet before getting into shooting position". He is really talking about ALIGNMENT. The feet can't see anything...the eyes do the seeing. The eyes LEAD and the body follows...no matter how a player aims a shot or what method/system he uses.
Old Brownie McGhee, a legendary blues singer, had some lines in one of his songs......"You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink, you can send your children to school, but you can't make them think".
Stan has found that out also.
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11-14-2017, 07:55 AM

Every now and then I like to revisit this video to get all my ducks back in a row.

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You are way off base with your assessment. Totally wrong. It's why you should just wait for the book.
What assessment? That a 15-inside is the same as a 30-outside? I hope I'm not wrong about that.


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When you get your CTE/edge-to-A visuals for those 5 shots, while standing, how does the CB overlap the OB, is it the same or different?
Considering that the perception lines are based on the relationship between the two balls as seen from a certain position behind the CB.....yes, using objective visuals I get the exact same overlap perspective when I address CCB inmmediately after getting both visual lines. The only time the perception changes my perspective of CB/OB relationship is when I change the distance between the CB and OB, which makes sense. As long the distance between the balls is constant, I always get the same results with any particular perception regardless of where the balls are in reference to the rails or pockets. The first shot is very close to 15, and 15-perception with inside pivot thinks it up way too much. I could work with it for a while, tweaking the pivot or perception to match what works for the shot, but then I wouldn't be following instructions -- I'd be doing my own thing to make it work.


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My man, some of these fellas already had the conclusions to their questioning set in their minds before they ever started. That's the reality.
Their quest was not for learning facts, but to eventually be able to say to themselves..."I knew I was right all the time".
It's best to just let them go their merry way, using whatever methods and systems work for them.
Trying to assist them is a fruitless endeavor. All that results is a "back and forth...back and forth". And the outcome is usually the same
I heard one of the best pool players in the country, Jeremy Jones, last night commentating a match at Fleming's tournament. JJ was talking to Schuman about aiming. JJ said..."he believed the best aiming was done with his feet before getting into shooting position". He is really talking about ALIGNMENT. The feet can't see anything...the eyes do the seeing. The eyes LEAD and the body follows...no matter how a player aims a shot or what method/system he uses.
Old Brownie McGhee, a legendary blues singer, had some lines in one of his songs......"You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink, you can send your children to school, but you can't make them think".
Stan has found that out also.
Keep on truckin'
The eyes lead and the body follows is correct and if Stan made up that saying, then more power to him and I agree with it.

BUT, he also has two different stances to set up the alignment for delivery.

You're speaking for JJ as if he is using a method similar to the concept of CTE or a pure visual system and I know for a fact that you can step on or near the shotline in such a way that sets up your mechanics first, way before the visual even makes sense, if you are trying to put a heavy angular bias on your delivery angle.

You can speak for Stan, but you can't speak for "aiming" unless, and I'll use the ever popular line of "unless you try it for yourself" and I will not venture to say you will or won't, but perhaps you are closed minded.

JJ is right and it should suggest or leave a door open as to method and that discussion should always be left open. So, the assertions of others and the CTE'ers heresy is not their imagination.

I got one question for anyone qualified to answer, is CTE and the big secret that will be revealed in the book......is it provable math or is it voodoo?

I got no problems with either one because I believe you don't have to see a shot clearly to execute a particular effect, but alignment itself can never be ruled out and there's no question it starts or can start from the feet.

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