Pat probably doesn't know you either. Pat is one of the most honorable men I have the pleasure of knowing. If his word is not good enough for you then all bets are off.
U.S. Open update
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Pat probably doesn't know you either. Pat is one of the most honorable men I have the pleasure of knowing. If his word is not good enough for you then all bets are off.
If Barry is really putting up his own money, but yet always coming up short at the end, then there is a simple solution.
Stop advertising added money you don't truly have.
People don't keep saying negative things about Barry because they hate him. They say them because negative things keep happening every year because of him.
If Barry was to guarantee an added figure of $50,000 and then add the total sum of entry fees to this makng prize funds of -
$150,000 for 100 players
$162,000 for 112 players
Then it would be a Tier 3 event and most players would be happy
The most important thing about the event this year is that there will be an accurate and transparent accounting of the funds months before the event actually takes place. Players and spectators will be able to make their decisions about attending in plenty of time prior to the event.
So whatever tier the event qualifies for ---- everyone will know well in advance.
This is the best anyone can hope for regarding this event.
So whatever tier the event qualifies for ---- everyone will know well in advance.
This is the best anyone can hope for regarding this event.
I apologize if I missed it but what happens if BB misses the July 25 deadline?
Lou Figueroa
Yep! For sure.
People who are skeptical about him obviously know nothing about him.
I agree Pat is honorable and should be taken at his word.
The only caveat to this is it has to come from PAT himself, via a press release with his name attached to it. I'm certain when the July date comes, Pat will do this.
Notice, Barry has sent a bunch of press releases, all rambling on. Pat, on the other hand, sent only one or two, and they were precisely direct and to the point.
Barry if he said the sky was blue, I would not believe him.
Jay, is honorable, but he too did not clarify until later asked [Post #57] where he got the info from that there was "close to 50k" in the account. 42K has been received according to Pat, via Jay.
Its absolutely essential the source of information is explicitly named, given Barry's horrible track record.
The only caveat to this is it has to come from PAT himself, via a press release with his name attached to it. I'm certain when the July date comes, Pat will do this.
Notice, Barry has sent a bunch of press releases, all rambling on. Pat, on the other hand, sent only one or two, and they were precisely direct and to the point.
Barry if he said the sky was blue, I would not believe him.
Jay, is honorable, but he too did not clarify until later asked [Post #57] where he got the info from that there was "close to 50k" in the account. 42K has been received according to Pat, via Jay.
Its absolutely essential the source of information is explicitly named, given Barry's horrible track record.
I will only add this statement to the equation. It is not so easy keeping the U.S. Open alive. And some of us feel that it is worthwhile to do this. Barry is doing his part by finding the venue and making the necessary arrangements there, plus bringing in added sponsor monies. Pat is doing his part by making sure all funds are secure this year. And I will do my part in making sure the event is properly run and fair to all players.
It would be nice to get universal support on here for our efforts but certainly not expected. By posting about this year's Open I have opened myself up to the slings and arrows of many here. So be it.
Lastly, if the 75K added is not all there on July 25, there are several options. It could become a Tier 3 event and some foreign players would not come and the added money would be lower (whatever is already there at that point in time), or if the WPA has assurance from sponsors that more money is indeed forthcoming the Tier 2 sanction could remain for an unspecified period of time. Players can then decide if they want to come or not.
My best guess at this point in time is the event is definitely a GO, with somewhere north of $50,000 in added money. With the current arrangement I fully expect that Barry will find a way to get the 75K in on time. For him this is essential to the overall success of the event, to get all the top name players to participate. Anything less would be a disappointment to him. What's very different this time is Barry knows full well what he needs to do and really has no choice but to hold up his end or suffer the consequences. I know one thing, Pat will not waver from his agreement and neither will I.
It would be nice to get universal support on here for our efforts but certainly not expected. By posting about this year's Open I have opened myself up to the slings and arrows of many here. So be it.
Lastly, if the 75K added is not all there on July 25, there are several options. It could become a Tier 3 event and some foreign players would not come and the added money would be lower (whatever is already there at that point in time), or if the WPA has assurance from sponsors that more money is indeed forthcoming the Tier 2 sanction could remain for an unspecified period of time. Players can then decide if they want to come or not.
My best guess at this point in time is the event is definitely a GO, with somewhere north of $50,000 in added money. With the current arrangement I fully expect that Barry will find a way to get the 75K in on time. For him this is essential to the overall success of the event, to get all the top name players to participate. Anything less would be a disappointment to him. What's very different this time is Barry knows full well what he needs to do and really has no choice but to hold up his end or suffer the consequences. I know one thing, Pat will not waver from his agreement and neither will I.
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I agree with Fran and Jay. Pat Fleming is about as honest as the day is long.
In fact, when players run into him at events, he hands them royalty checks that they didn't even know were coming to them. One year at the DCC, Jose Parica received a $800-plus check, which made Jose very happy. :grin:
Jay, this is the best post on this thread so far and your realism should give players more confidence in the event. If a tournament of this status cannot pull up fifty grand sponsorship and 112 paid entries then there is really no hope for us all.
Now get your butt to the open!!! And bring that Keith guy with you. Hope to see you there.The July deadline is for the added money. Entry fees will be dribbling in all the way up to the event (or until the field of 128 is filled, if sooner).
Ok Jay, I'll bet on the word of your friend Pat if the $75k is there in full or not by July 25th.
$50
And if I lose and pay off and then if any player is not paid in full at the time of the event or a check bounces again, I get my $50 back plus another $100.
$50
And if I lose and pay off and then if any player is not paid in full at the time of the event or a check bounces again, I get my $50 back plus another $100.
And JAM, it doesn't matter diddly if I am going this year or not. I have friends that are going to be playing and also am simply a fan of pool. And I am a potential customer for future years. Barry has lost enough customers that he should concentrate on trying to gain some new ones.
Beyond that, for the past 5 years at least we have heard that 'Barry understands that this time there can't be any issues with payment, VIP seating, etc' and then the football is pulled away as Charlie Brown goes to kick it once again.
Beyond that, for the past 5 years at least we have heard that 'Barry understands that this time there can't be any issues with payment, VIP seating, etc' and then the football is pulled away as Charlie Brown goes to kick it once again.
Too many qualifiers for me. You turned a simple yes or no bet into some kind of algorithm.
He' trying to get a lock.
Big Thanks Jay
Jay,
I want to add my sincere thanks to you for all you have done, and continue to do for this glorious, benchmark event.
It certainly is not easy.
And I hope you know that as you continue to move forward, you hold the unwavering support and admiration of all who want to see this event overcome the myriad hurdles of the recent past and return the event to its lofty place in the world's events.
Many watch, only a few participate in the thankless work of an event of this magnitude. Yep, there have been some (very) genuine issues in the recent past, but I believe all the hard work underway by great people such as Pat, Roberta, yourself and others will meet with positive results and place the event on better footing.
Please take a moment to pass along my sincerest thanks to the others working diligently behind the scenes.
See you this October.
Will Prout
Jay,
I want to add my sincere thanks to you for all you have done, and continue to do for this glorious, benchmark event.
It certainly is not easy.
And I hope you know that as you continue to move forward, you hold the unwavering support and admiration of all who want to see this event overcome the myriad hurdles of the recent past and return the event to its lofty place in the world's events.
Many watch, only a few participate in the thankless work of an event of this magnitude. Yep, there have been some (very) genuine issues in the recent past, but I believe all the hard work underway by great people such as Pat, Roberta, yourself and others will meet with positive results and place the event on better footing.
Please take a moment to pass along my sincerest thanks to the others working diligently behind the scenes.
See you this October.
Will Prout
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