Taking apart a Palmer Cue?

runscott

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I have a Model D Palmer where all the parts below the wrap are out of kilter. I had planned to at least get the pieces better aligned, and at most put a piece of gold foil over the name, possibly replacing with my own.

I have an allen wrench that fits the butt, but thought I would ask for opinions here before attempting.

Anyone have experience with this?
 

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$TAKE HOR$E

champagne - campaign
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Done other cues but never a Palmer, proficient could handle whatever you want done if you decide to go that route...fast and cost effective also.
 

ideologist

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Mark everything with a pencil, it is a real pain-in-the-rear to get the parts aligned properly again
 

Type79

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Before taking apart the back-end, tape the rings to together, or mark them as was already suggested, to keep them oriented to one another.

I can tell you this cue has been taken apart once before. The black ring is out of position and the decorative tape that should be on either side of the foil is missing. Actually that could be a foil from an earier cue as it has the older font and appears wider than 1/2" which is the width foil used in Second Catalog cues.

When you unscrew the weight bolt, the butt cap and rings should be able to be moved and come-off the tenon without too much, or no effort at all. If they don't and you have to pull on the rings, it's possible someone glued them together.

The foil material is unavailable but there are cue makers here and there with scraps of it. Paul Stamatos aka thepavlovs has the material available and will emboss it "Original by Palmer".
 
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goettlicher

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Before taking apart the back-end, tape the rings to together, or mark them as was already suggested, to keep them oriented to one another.

I can tell you this cue has been taken apart once before. The black ring is out of position and the decorative tape that should be on either side of the foil is missing. Actually that could be a foil from an earier cue as it has the older font and appears wider than 1/2" which is the width foil used in Second Catalog cues.

When you unscrew the weight bolt, the butt cap and rings should be able to be moved and come-off the tenon without too much, or no effort at all. If they don't and you have to pull on the rings, it's possible someone glued them together.

The foil material is unavailable but there are cue makers here and there with scraps of it. Paul Stamatos aka thepavlovs has the material available and will emboss it "Original by Palmer".



This is great advice.

I did that with all my Palmer fixes.

randyg
 

runscott

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Before taking apart the back-end, tape the rings to together, or mark them as was already suggested, to keep them oriented to one another.

I can tell you this cue has been taken apart once before. The black ring is out of position and the decorative tape that should be on either side of the foil is missing. Actually that could be a foil from an earier cue as it has the older font and appears wider than 1/2" which is the width foil used in Second Catalog cues.

When you unscrew the weight bolt, the butt cap and rings should be able to be moved and come-off the tenon without too much, or no effort at all. If they don't and you have to pull on the rings, it's possible someone glued them together.

The allen wrench doesn't even budge the weight bolt, so I'm going to leave the cue alone. Generally these sorts of questions result in suggestions that the cue be sent to a cuemaker, which I understand;however, I try to do as much as I can on my own, learning in the process. If I think I'm going to screw something up I let a professional handle it. I'm getting the sense that if I try much more I am liable to screw things up :)
 

WildWing

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The allen wrench doesn't even budge the weight bolt, so I'm going to leave the cue alone. Generally these sorts of questions result in suggestions that the cue be sent to a cuemaker, which I understand;however, I try to do as much as I can on my own, learning in the process. If I think I'm going to screw something up I let a professional handle it. I'm getting the sense that if I try much more I am liable to screw things up :)

Depending on whether the weight bolt was secured with glue, the bolt can or can not be removed. Sometimes an allen wrench, sometimes a flat head screw driver. Unless the rings are loose and causing a vibration, I probably wouldn't change it. It's also obvious that the cue has a different bumper, in addition to the comments about the changes above. If you have the desire, and something is really wrong, Scot at Proficient Billiards has handled a lot of Palmers.

All the best,
WW
 

runscott

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The components of the butt are fairly tight, but can be moved around - I've got them lined up fairly well now. I believe the weight bolt must be secured with glue, as it isn't budging.

I know Scot does a great job, but I don't think it's worth doing anything more. The cue looks great and hits great - it's really just the foil area that bothers me.
 

Michael Webb

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The components of the butt are fairly tight, but can be moved around - I've got them lined up fairly well now. I believe the weight bolt must be secured with glue, as it isn't budging.

I know Scot does a great job, but I don't think it's worth doing anything more. The cue looks great and hits great - it's really just the foil area that bothers me.


Age and moisture and possibly rust would be my guess.
 

runscott

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Age and moisture and possibly rust would be my guess.

At some point I would like to get it apart, but it will probably have to happen the next time I visit a cue repairman.

Meanwhile, I will share what I learned about 'cleaning up' old cues. I purchased this cue because it came with what looked like a nice leather Brunswick case, and because the cue had a Titlist forearm and was beat-up enough that I felt I could refinish it without doing any harm. After a few days in the classifieds in original condition, it was obvious that the cue was not appealing to anyone here, so I went ahead with my plans to clean it up, as follows:

1. Cleaning the wrap - A cuemaker friend described this process over the phone several months ago, and I first tried it on worthless twine wrap, then progressed to a 1910's extremely dirty silk wrap: Pour a little denatured alcohol on a piece of magic eraser, squeeze out most of the liquid, then scrub with the threads (not against). The Courtland wrap on the Palmer was very, very dirty, and had scrapes and scratches that ran down the wrap, so my goal was just to clean off most of the dirt, as opposed to making it look brand new like the example Chris did on his 'Palmercollector' website. After it dried I could better tell what areas needed more work, and once it was fairly even and all the vertical scrapes were gone I quit. I then burnished with a beer glass, rubbing it over a piece of wax paper wrapped around the linen wrap. Then I folded a piece of wax paper a couple of times and burnished the wrap by hand, twisting with the threads until I felt some heat - the effect was that the wax was transferred to the linen wrap. I will post 'before and after' pics in another post in this thread, but the result was what looked like a well cared-for 'used' cue, as opposed to a new cue or an abused cue.

2. Cleaning the forearm - the finish was high-gloss with lots of light and deep scratches, various colors embedded in the scratches from walls, etc. The maple forearm had quite a bit of blue chalk embedded in the grain. For a total refinish of a Hoppe Pro I would have used the magic eraser to scrub off the finish, then added several layers of hand-rubbed finish, depending on what look I was going for. For this one I decided to 'clean' the existing finish, as it was thick and appeared to be original. I started by lightly rubbing the forearm with the magic eraser (with alcohol). The result was simply that the gloss and some of the more superficial damage was removed. I then went a little deeper on the bad abrasions, and scrubbed the part below the joint until almost all the blue was gone. Next I hand-rubbed one coat of Bulls-eye shellac French polish onto the forearm. At that point I stopped, as the level of wear now matched the wrap (in my opinion). The forearm blueing was gone, all color (paint, etc) had been removed from the deeper abrasions, and the lighter abrasions to the finish were gone or very close to it. The cue doesn't look like it has been refinished, just played and taken good care of. It could probably use one more coat of Bullseye.

3. Shaft - the shaft was warped and the tip lifted. I decided to try and straighten it using a technique described to me by a cue repairman on this forum. I got most of the bend out of it and the tip no longer lifts. I showed it to someone who has experience with straightening shafts and he did a little more work on it. The result was a nice-hitting cue, so I stopped. I then cleaned the shaft using a magic eraser, then burnished with leather, then applied Renaissance wax and burnished that with a piece of brown paper bag.

4. The Butt - as described at the beginning of this thread, I can't get the weight bolt to budge; however, I expect a local cue repairman to be able to take care of it. The last step will be analyzing the interior and deciding what to do next.
 

$TAKE HOR$E

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I will post 'before and after' pics in another post in this thread, but the result was what looked like a well cared-for 'used' cue, as opposed to a new cue or an abused cue.
Very nice post, looking forward to seeing some pics. I really like the look of the well used but well taken care of old cues.
 

Type79

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"... the existing finish, as it was thick and appeared to be original."

Why do you feel the original finishes were thick?
 
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