Shaw's Aiming
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I'll bet all the change in my jar that Shaw grew up on either single shot line, fractional aiming, or back of ball. And now, yes, he does play by feel.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
GoldenFlash
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You have applied some keen analysis to his game. I believe the same things.
Isn't it reasonable to think that maybe he learned and trained by using some method, process, or procedure and became so proficient...that through repetition, it evolved into an instinctive method of precise playing?
I watched him barbecue Rodney Morris and I noted very carefully, as much as the camera angles allowed, that he seemed to be lining up with the 'edge of the ferrule' idea.
Needless to say, his mechanics of stroke delivery are wonderful. Without which the best 'method' in the world is merely a futile gesture.
GoldenFlash
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You can have all the feel and all the instinct in the world, but if you hit the ball in the wrong place it isn't going into the pocket.
An aiming "system" eliminates guesswork on where to hit the ball....but you still have to hit that spot. That's where the feel and instinct come into play.
Those Phillipino fellas are taught very early exactly WHERE to aim. Then they develop their mechanics to hit those spots over and over.
Becoming a champion requires, as most say, hours and hours of rehearsal. But, rehearsing the CORRECT things.
I bet he aims the tip to the cue ball.
I bet he has no clue about this side of the ferrule aiming system.
Let's just cut to the chase here.
The pros know where the cueball is going down within 5 degrees.
That's what a pro- commentator said.
IF they know where the cueball is going AND where it stops, they sure do know where that object ball is going .
Their system is VISUALIZATION of the two balls colliding.
IF you can't visualize that consistently and correctly, there is no way you are going to shoot .900+ consistently .
They are at a level now where when they shoot below .900, they lose .
Shooting .880 is a bad game for them.
Of course they know exactly where to hit that cue ball. That's the easiest part of their game.
Efren said, learn to control the cue ball, pocketing will follow after that.
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GoldenFlash
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Maybe "controlling the cue ball" means to hit the exact spot on the object ball at collision time to make the object ball go into the pocket....?
Therefore, controlling the cue ball is always primary.
However 'controlling the cueball' to go where??...to the edge, to the center, to 1/4 ball, to half ball, to point A, B,or C.... etc.etc.???
The purpose of aiming correctly is to control the cue ball to go to the precise spot for the collision to result in a pocketed ball.,,isn't it?
If visualization accomplishes that, fine.
If using fractions accomplishes that, fine
If edge of ferrule accomplishes that, fine
If CTE accomplishes that, fine.
But SOMEWHERE in the shooting process a mental decision has to be made about where the target on the object ball or the cue ball is located. An aiming 'system' assists in accomplishing that goal.
Therefore, controlling the cue ball is always primary.
However 'controlling the cueball' to go where??...to the edge, to the center, to 1/4 ball, to half ball, to point A, B,or C.... etc.etc.???
The purpose of aiming correctly is to control the cue ball to go to the precise spot for the collision to result in a pocketed ball.,,isn't it?
If visualization accomplishes that, fine.
If using fractions accomplishes that, fine
If edge of ferrule accomplishes that, fine
If CTE accomplishes that, fine.
But SOMEWHERE in the shooting process a mental decision has to be made about where the target on the object ball or the cue ball is located. An aiming 'system' assists in accomplishing that goal.
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Not this shit again
Carry on!
Carry on!
Actually no it doesn't. Believe it or not visualization doesn't require any aiming points at all. This may seem incomprehensible to many but if you ever spent a dedicated portion of your life playing this game 40-50 hours a week, it becomes like breathing, you don't have to think about it at all, you just breathe
GoldenFlash
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40-50 hours a week doing it less efficiently?
If it's 'like breathing' then there should never be any comments of that nature. (I never hear anyone say...."I made a mistake breathing".) Breathing is a natural, biological, process of being alive. It begins at birth.
Pool shooting, golf, hitting a baseball, playing big time tennis, swimming, etc. etc. are not natural biological activities...excellence in these things is acquired through the execution of precise procedures. Golf excellence is acquired by learning to do an unnatural process in a natural way. Baseball players do not learn to hit the low and away pitch consistently unless they've been trained to do so.....by someone who is proficient at doing the same. Innate talent comes into play here. However, unrequited talent is almost an axiom. Nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.....they've missed the proper training or they've collapsed in their persistence.
The Asians are demonstrating this. Most are trained early in the most efficient techniques......THEN there comes the evolution into 'being like breathing', if you will.
The visualization in itself is an 'aiming point'. ALL pool shooting requires some form of mental activity to determine if the shot looks right before pulling the trigger.
The purpose of 'aiming systems' is to get there more efficiently without guess work....nothing more and nothing less. Aiming systems, methods, processes, procedures are AIDS to better play...not the be all and end all. Is that unreasonable??
Then why do players say things like...."I overcut that ball" "I undercut that ball" "the thing wasn't frozen to the rail, I didn't see it" "I used the wrong English, what was I thinking" "I just didn't see the kiss coming"...and so on and so on????
If it's 'like breathing' then there should never be any comments of that nature. (I never hear anyone say...."I made a mistake breathing".) Breathing is a natural, biological, process of being alive. It begins at birth.
Pool shooting, golf, hitting a baseball, playing big time tennis, swimming, etc. etc. are not natural biological activities...excellence in these things is acquired through the execution of precise procedures. Golf excellence is acquired by learning to do an unnatural process in a natural way. Baseball players do not learn to hit the low and away pitch consistently unless they've been trained to do so.....by someone who is proficient at doing the same. Innate talent comes into play here. However, unrequited talent is almost an axiom. Nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.....they've missed the proper training or they've collapsed in their persistence.
The Asians are demonstrating this. Most are trained early in the most efficient techniques......THEN there comes the evolution into 'being like breathing', if you will.
The visualization in itself is an 'aiming point'. ALL pool shooting requires some form of mental activity to determine if the shot looks right before pulling the trigger.
The purpose of 'aiming systems' is to get there more efficiently without guess work....nothing more and nothing less. Aiming systems, methods, processes, procedures are AIDS to better play...not the be all and end all. Is that unreasonable??
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GoldenFlash
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No offense meant.Not this shit again
Just stating my opinions in a calm, assertive way.
I'm the very last person to be 'looking for trouble'.
I had dinner with Jose Parica once. We were with one other person who was consulting with him and eventually got lessons.
He was asked how he aimed. He just said his brain is like a computer now.
He said, by the time he was 12 years old, he was running 61 points on rotation easily. He said he started playing on Filipino pool table. It's a 4 by 4 lazy suzie table with ebony discs. The "cue ball " is a much bigger disc than the play balls.
Got another story. This time with Efren.
Local shortstop was trying to show Efren his Schon cue with a Predator shaft at Hard Times here. He told Efren to try it.
Efren tried it one shot. Efren missed badly and literally threw the cue back to the owner. The cue slammed on the table.
Efren said in Tagalog, " I aimed for the cue ball to be here and the it ended there ".
Efren at 12 years old, beat the number 8 player in the Philippines.
He could barely reach the table then.
I'm pretty sure he wun't using pivoting aiming system then.
I had dinner with Jose Parica once. We were with one other person who was consulting with him and eventually got lessons.
He was asked how he aimed. He just said his brain is like a computer now.
He said, by the time he was 12 years old, he was running 61 points on rotation easily. He said he started playing on Filipino pool table. It's a 4 by 4 lazy suzie table with ebony discs. The "cue ball " is a much bigger disc than the play balls.
Got another story. This time with Efren.
Local shortstop was trying to show Efren his Schon cue with a Predator shaft at Hard Times here. He told Efren to try it.
Efren tried it one shot. Efren missed badly and literally threw the cue back to the owner. The cue slammed on the table.
Efren said in Tagalog, " I aimed for the cue ball to be here and the it ended there ".
Efren at 12 years old, beat the number 8 player in the Philippines.
He could barely reach the table then.
I'm pretty sure he wun't using pivoting aiming system then.
Without any thought of pivoting, CTE, or anything else, leave them completely out of this.
I'd like to hear more on what Efren thinks or does with aiming. That lady in the famous interview said Efren taught her centers and edges. Is he just shooting from experience or is he picking up ball relationships in respect to the edges or whatnot.
I had dinner with Jose Parica once. We were with one other person who was consulting with him and eventually got lessons.
He was asked how he aimed. He just said his brain is like a computer now.
He said, by the time he was 12 years old, he was running 61 points on rotation easily. He said he started playing on Filipino pool table. It's a 4 by 4 lazy suzie table with ebony discs. The "cue ball " is a much bigger disc than the play balls.
Got another story. This time with Efren.
Local shortstop was trying to show Efren his Schon cue with a Predator shaft at Hard Times here. He told Efren to try it.
Efren tried it one shot. Efren missed badly and literally threw the cue back to the owner. The cue slammed on the table.
Efren said in Tagalog, " I aimed for the cue ball to be here and the it ended there ".
Efren at 12 years old, beat the number 8 player in the Philippines.
He could barely reach the table then.
I'm pretty sure he wun't using pivoting aiming system then.
lol. I spent an hour with Parica on the side lines of one tournament and all he talked about was the effects of Cialis.
I guess that's another aiming system
Lou Figueroa
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