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Tom, glad to hear my material is useful to you.

About CTE, I had the first CD and was lost also. I posted the beer bottle "perception" to show that using objects other than spheres brings the "perceptions" out of the realm of mystery. The main reason I couldn't understand a CTE perception is simple: A perception is something you sense, mentally. It's an individual thing, meaning I could perceive something differently than you perceive it. But once I realized these visuals were actually focal perspectives, not perceptions, they became real.
I get tired of your knocking.
On the back of your book it says

MASTER THE ART OF AIMING AND NEVER MISS ANOTHER SHOT.
What a load of shit!

You also say in your book:
Poolology uses the 4 quarters and then the 8ths and then you have to use your own feel the rest of the way.

What a joke!

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No justification needed. Realizing these visual "perceptions' we're simply visual "perspectives" made it much easier to understand. Sphere perspectives are difficult to visualize. But once I thought about the fact that we don't really aim using the whole sphere, but with the equators, I saw two circles -- two 2D objects. Then I thought it could help others see that there is no mysterious visual phenomena going on when it comes to CTE perceptions. The rest of the process is still a mystery until Stan's book cones out. And that's how it should be. Great secrets shouldn't be free.
Since the beginning of time when pool was created, neither in real life - book instructions - or video instructions has anyone at any time used BEER BOTTLES as a VISUAL PERCEPTION. NEVER!

IT was a MOCKING POST specifically to LOU, not the rest of the forum.

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I get tired of your knocking.
On the back of your book it says

MASTER THE ART OF AIMING AND NEVER MISS ANOTHER SHOT.
What a load of shit!

You also say in your book:
Poolology uses the 4 quarters and then the 8ths and then you have to use your own feel the rest of the way.

What a joke!

Stan Shuffett
I'm not knocking anything. In fact, I'm probably helping someone else finally figure some things out.

Nice review of my material so far, very professional comments.

If a player masters the art of aiming they could very well never miss another shot, whether they master fractional aiming, Samba, Shishkabob, or CTE. That's actually a load of solid inspiration.

As far as subdividing the quarter fractions and enabling a sense of freedom, a sense of feel, well that's good also. Instead if making it a complicated process, it simplifies the process. Imagine how mediocre Joe Bonamassa would be today if when he was 10 years old a guitar instructor would've told him, "Listen, Joey, there's only one way to play the guitar professionally. There's only 8 musical notes with a few sharps and flats, and all the melodies that exists now are all there is. I don't won't you playing by feel, making up your own techniques and shortcuts to playing guitar. My method is the only way."

Pool is no different. Developing an individual feel for certain shots is an absolute necessity regardless of which aiming system one learns from or employs full-time.


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Why do you keep jumping in here telling me what I should do, what I shouldn't do, or how I feel.

I'm sitting here as cool and relaxed as I can be drinking my morning cups of coffee.

You're the one sitting God knows where in Europe or elsewhere judging that I'm in a fit of rage.

You wanted discussion about aiming systems the other day. I presented one to the poster about poolology fractional aiming.

Stan Shuffett started a thread a couple days ago with videos and verbal explanations of a VERY SIMPLE AIMING SYSTEM, Shiskebob.

You never chimed in or showed up. It was exactly what you asked for. But here you are judging and running your mouth in here.

Seems to me you're the one in a rage based on your misconceptions of how I feel.

Either participate or don't.

Do YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF POOLOLOGY? Set up the shots and comment.

Do YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF SHISKEBOB? Set up the shots and comment.
Well, I'm sorry but now you are being completely unreasonable (regarding SHISHKEBOB)! How can I possibly comment on a system when Stan left all the important info out?! No specifics on bridgehand or even the pivot, lol and now you expect me to comment on it. Look to the inside (turn nose in) and pivot to center, lol. That's awesome. As Stan himself said, it's not laid out anywhere else either! I'm going to assume that there are several alignments (center, quarter and edge to start as only center and quarter are mentioned) I also noticed that Stan's pivot was quite small, so I guess I'll use that info as well. I could also observe that he seems to only pivot in one direction and that would be the logical thing being that he uses one approach with the nose. I couldn't stand the slow pace and off topic babbeling of the video so you'll have to forgive me if I missed something. I mostly tried to observe as there was no structure to the verbal presentation. I wasn't going to say anything, but you forced my hand.

I'll give my review on Shishkebob later after trying it. I'm also going to try the exact reverse of Stans instructions (nose out, pivot in) to see if that makes ANY difference to the pocketing at all.

As for poolology, I think the cheat sheet is the point of the system. So without it it's just feeling the five angle cut system. So all you're actually testing with your challenge is the feel of the individual in question.

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Imagine how mediocre Joe Bonamassa would be today if when he was 10 years old a guitar instructor would've told him, "Listen, Joey, there's only one way to play the guitar professionally. There's only 8 musical notes with a few sharps and flats, and all the melodies that exists now are all there is. I don't won't you playing by feel, making up your own techniques and shortcuts to playing guitar. My method is the only way."
It couldn't possibly have happened because at 10 years of age Joe Bonamassa was already playing better than any guitar instructor out there and even YOU today.

Joe was a CHILD PRODIGY. So was Willie Mosconi. His father owned a pool room. "In 1919, an exhibition match was arranged between six-year-old Mosconi and the reigning World Champion, Ralph Greenleaf. The hall was packed, and though Greenleaf won that match, Mosconi played well enough to draw considerable attention and launch his professional career."

Beethoven made his first public appearance at age 7 1/2. CHILD PRODIGY. Exceptions to the rule of learning and teaching.

Here is Joe Bonamassa at 12 years of age: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLB900atJFs

He was playing a Blues guitar since age 5:

Video #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvHEyAnS0bs


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Well, I'm sorry but now you are being completely unreasonable (regarding SHISHKEBOB)! How can I possibly comment on a system when Stan left all the important info out?!

He absolutely did not leave anything out for the shots demonstrated. What he left out is for more acute shot angles which WILL be addressed and taught in another video around Book Release time.

No specifics on bridgehand or even the pivot, lol and now you expect me to comment on it.

He said what to do about the original offset and pivot. If you think bridgehand is a key then figure it out for yourself by experimenting.

Look to the inside (turn nose in) and pivot to center, lol. That's awesome.

Yep, he was right on the "nose" because that's how simple the system is.

As Stan himself said, it's not laid out anywhere else either! I'm going to assume that there are several alignments (center, quarter and edge to start as only center and quarter are mentioned)

Reading comprehension problems or understanding the video?
Those will be explained and taught in video #2 at book release.


I also noticed that Stan's pivot was quite small, so I guess I'll use that info as well.

Do you think for some reason there's a big pivot? It IS a small pivot. Tip size can matter and he states it. There's a big pivot in 90/90 but I guess you have no knowledge of that one either.

I could also observe that he seems to only pivot in one direction and that would be the logical thing being that he uses one approach with the nose.

With pure shiskebob that's the case.

I couldn't stand the slow pace and off topic babbeling of the video so you'll have to forgive me if I missed something.

I guess he should have ripped it out rapidly so everything goes screaming over everyone's head like an F-18 at full throttle just to please you.

Let's see your video style as you explain anything you wish about pool


I mostly tried to observe as there was no structure to the verbal presentation. I wasn't going to say anything, but you forced my hand.

Can I force your hand to make a video yourself or are you only a one way complainer?

I'll give my review on Shishkebob later after trying it. I'm also going to try the exact reverse of Stans instructions (nose out, pivot in) to see if that makes ANY difference to the pocketing at all.

Yeah right. That makes all the sense in the world for a review.

As for poolology, I think the cheat sheet is the point of the system. So without it it's just feeling the five angle cut system. So all you're actually testing with your challenge is the feel of the individual in question.
So I guess they need to bring the cheat sheet with them every place they go, right. That will be great for fast play. No, I'm testing their knowledge, understanding, and ability to put it to use under actual playing conditions.

If they can't, they must be reverting to something else that isn't poolology.


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It couldn't possibly have happened because at 10 years of age Joe Bonamassa was already playing better than any guitar instructor out there and even YOU today.

Joe was a CHILD PRODIGY.

Here is at 12 years of age: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLB900atJFs
I realize this. There isn't much I don't know about Bonamassa. I was making a simple point pool that pool is art. Players should have a goal of becoming more artistic rather than systematic. But of course, unless you're a child prodigy, a systematic process can provide a path to becoming more artistic. Players just have to have the freedom to feel their way around the edges of whatever system process they're using.

Good artists are those that know and understand the technical aspects of their art. Great artists are those that learn to move beyond technicalities by developing their own feel, their own artistic expression.

My grandma loved those paint-by-numbers canvases, particularly the ones with horses and covered wagons. She was not a great artist, but the potential was there. Instead of always depending on that patchwork of numbers and lines, she could've tried painting on a blank canvas. I'm sure she'd painted enough with numbers that she probably could've produced a decent painting from scratch. And afterwords, standing back to admire her work, she'd notice certain lines or brush strokes that weren't quite right. So she'd try again, and again, and again.....focusing at first on the technicalities of painting (the exact brush strokes, lighting and perspective). Eventually she'd have shifted gears, leaving all that behind, developing her individual form of expressing based on her ability to visualize what she was imagining on the canvas in front of her.

A bit romanticised, but this is what I mean in my book when I say a pool player should develope his/her own feel for pocketing balls.


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I realize this. There isn't much I don't know about Bonamassa. I was making a simple point pool that pool is art. Players should have a goal of becoming more artistic rather than systematic.
At what level of achievement in pool might one consider becoming more artistic rather than systematic? After how many years of playing and what age?

Where does pool rank as a focus of importance and improvement in their lives compared to everything else?

If they don't have pool tables in their home and play everyday, wouldn't going occasionally to a pool room and telling them to be more artistic rather than systematic be putting the cart way before the horse?

Is what you're saying good advice? Sure but only to an extremely low percent of the population and even less of a percentage when speaking to the pool population.
And if they're that good, they'll become more adventuresome, experimental, and interested in learning things on their own.


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I was making a simple point pool that pool is art. Players should have a goal of becoming more artistic rather than systematic. But of course, unless you're a child prodigy, a systematic process can provide a path to becoming more artistic. Players just have to have the freedom to feel their way around the edges of whatever system process they're using.

A bit romanticised, but this is what I mean in my book when I say a pool player should develope his/her own feel for pocketing balls.
I posted this in the other thread. It's videos of you explaining various common shots and how to pocket the balls with poolology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryenIBwdn34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOHgrxLvMP8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17VpeuysHcE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i-1QIWxR3Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om2qEB-tN6g

HERE'S MY QUESTIONS: What do you do see, align, and do differently to make these shots when playing that's so artistically different than what you're teaching for seeing and aligning? What do you think about and what don't you think about based on the system? Are you short cutting something or not doing it at all?

Do you think those who purchase your program will over all be more consistent and accurate using it 100% of the time or will they become less consistent and accurate by reverting to something else? Are you just as accurate and consistent when not using your system or even more accurate?

If what they're doing is very successful what can they learn on their own that will improve the consistency and accuracy from being more "artistic"?


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Let's start this morning with something beautiful. Watch this young Russian run this drill. Could you hit the rail between the third diamond and the side pocket time after time? I wonder what type of "aiming" system he is using? https://youtu.be/ezBebGXYAnI?list=PL...MYKgRx0iJgQlB4
ROTFLMFAO! He's obviously using an aiming system to pocket the balls based on the focus and intensity of his eyes, stroke, and time over the shot.

Surely there must be a Russian Pool/Billiards forum. Why don't you go there and ask him. Better yet, stay there forever and learn from him.

How can he hit between the third diamond and side pocket time after time? It's called SPIN AND SPEED not aiming.

Here spin is called English but over there it could be called RUSSIAN. I don't know.

LMFAO! Even the other 3 musketeers have to be shaking their heads in disbelief at such a question.

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Let's start this morning with something beautiful. Watch this young Russian run this drill. Could you hit the rail between the third diamond and the side pocket time after time? I wonder what type of "aiming" system he is using? https://youtu.be/ezBebGXYAnI?list=PL...MYKgRx0iJgQlB4
Beautiful indeed!

Thanks for sharing.

He does not stand with his nose behind CCB and sweeps either left or right into every shot just like your instructor does and does not even know it....LMAO

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ROTFLMFAO! He's obviously using an aiming system to pocket the balls based on the focus and intensity of his eyes, stroke, and time over the shot.

Surely there must be a Russian Pool/Billiards forum. Why don't you go there and ask him. Better yet, stay there forever and learn from him.

How can he hit between the third diamond and side pocket time after time? It's called SPIN AND SPEED not aiming.

Here spin is called English but over there it could be called RUSSIAN.

LMFAO!
This forum is called; "Peace Proposal" and I thought I'd post something beautiful to watch. You are 100% with CTE, so why don't you stay out of the forums that are not about that? Who on AZB put you in charge of others posting? I think a lot of us would like to know that information? You're writing is absolutely sickening to read.


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Let's start this morning with something beautiful. Watch this young Russian run this drill. Could you hit the rail between the third diamond and the side pocket time after time? I wonder what type of "aiming" system he is using? https://youtu.be/ezBebGXYAnI?list=PL...MYKgRx0iJgQlB4
He plays very well and has a good feel for the cue ball, but he is doing it the easier way.

I used to play this for hours as a kid when I worked in the pool hall. I made it harder by placing all of the ball on the rails.

It is a bit harder to "kill" and control the cue ball when it has to come off a ball rail on every shot. And when you shoot the balls frozen on the rail you can't spin them in easily like you can when they are a bit off the rail.

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This forum is called; "Peace Proposal" and I thought I'd post something beautiful to watch.

It is beautiful to watch. The young man is extremely smooth with great touch.

You are 100% with CTE, so why don't you stay out of the forums that are not about that?

Incorrect there buddy boy. I'm with shiskebob, 90/90, Joe Tucker's contact point aiming and most others including fractions. I'm not anti any aiming system. Some are just better than others especially for me and I explore ALL OF THEM in depth on the table.

Who on AZB put you in charge of others posting?

I'm not in charge of posting. I haven't had a full blown belly laugh at a post in a long, long time. Thanks for yours.

I think a lot of us would like to know that information? You're writing is absolutely sickening to read.
It just takes time. To know me is to love me and one day you will.
(or you won't) LMFAO


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