There's nothing rude. Just pool room logic.
It's just your way. It seemed friendly and professional until you chimed in. It's no wonder why conversations quickly get heated here. I was not making a statement ......I was polite in asking a question.
There's nothing rude. Just pool room logic.
Isn't there a certain amount of experienced estimation needed in contact point aiming, ghostball, parallel pivot, etc.., even in CTE when determining if a shot needs inside or outside/thinned or thickened? I know there is. It's no different for a an intuitive player. If you think the shot looks like it should be a cut a little thinner, whether or not you're using instinct, pro1, pivots, or ghostball, and you can still end up missing by over-cutting.
Even with feel, the brain is programmed to recognize the shots, but naturally the brain isn't always running at optimal conditions. But this applies to every system that relies on knowledge gained through experience.
Isn't there a certain amount of experienced estimation needed in contact point aiming, ghostball, parallel pivot, etc.., even in CTE when determining if a shot needs inside or outside/thinned or thickened? I know there is. It's no different for a an intuitive player. If you think the shot looks like it should be a cut a little thinner, whether or not you're using instinct, pro1, pivots, or ghostball, and you can still end up missing by over-cutting.
Even with feel, the brain is programmed to recognize the shots, but naturally the brain isn't always running at optimal conditions. But this applies to every system that relies on knowledge gained through experience.
It's just your way. It seemed friendly and professional until you chimed in. It's no wonder why conversations quickly get heated here. I was not making a statement ......I was polite in asking a question.
Determining CB-OB thick and thin is a 100% system certainty. There is no estimation during that very simple aspect of CTE.
Stan Shuffett
Now you're the second person who posts in here that's INNOCENT all the time.
Innocent Brian.
You, Lou, Dan, denwhit ALL need to stay miles away from any and all of the threads having the letters CTE in them or any of you bringing it up.
THAT'S WHY CONVERSATIONS QUICKLY GET HEATED HERE! IT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED FOR 20 YEARS IN MULTIPLE INTERNET FORUMS.
I'm not bashing, regardless of Dave's opinion. I specifically remember watching one your YouTube videos where after you get your visuals, you say something like you can tell the shot is going to be thick, or thin, so that's how you know whether or not to use an inside or outside pivot or sweep.
How do you know? Your years of experience shooting pool is how you know. If I were an average bar banger that doesn't have good judgement/experience on cut shots, how would I know if the shot looks too thick or too thin after I get my visuals and fixed CB? I wouldn't. That's all I was saying.
I'm not living in the past. A civil conversation with questions and answers isn't all that complicated. Let go of hate and try a little diplomacy.
Take your own advice, recruit.
Here, answer this post of mine:
Then why didn't you articulate and sell a FEEL BASED WAY of pocketing balls instead of a FRACTIONAL Aiming system with diagrams?
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Every Cb OB relation for its given visual is always thick or thin to the desired right angle. Determining thick or thin is as simple as reading the sight line which is a center cue ball line directly to the OB.......You look down that line and the answer is obvious.
Stan Shuffett
Ok. I found the clip. In it you say you can tell the ob is going to a little short of the pocket, so you need to thicken it up. It seems like this knowledge is personal knowledge based on your own experience. But I think I understand what you mean.....any already decent player would be able to recognize this thick or thin line.
https://youtu.be/4iuvQT7dwfs
That's not personal knowledge at all but rather natural knowledge that occurs as a result of seeing Cb OB relationships. They're always either thick or thin to the desired pocket.
What makes CTE a little odd at first is that reading the line occurs from a visual offset. Most everyone wants to do this logically with their nose behind the center of the cue ball, the most amateurish way possible of trying to see Cb OB relations. Pros don't do it....but yet almost every instructor teaches that to their students and it is the WRONG way to do it. It's all guess work with the nose behind center while standing.
Stan Shuffett
I did. My book specifically states that the goal of the system is to help a player develop a feel for pocketing balls. No secret there.
I don't have your book nor need it. I asked you or them to articulate the "FEEL BASED" method you all supposedly use other than "see the pocket; see the OB; see the CB; and shoot" What a bunch of NOTHING!
Anyway, I've decided you are way too over the top with your blatantly aggressive comments. I'm only going to reply to civil comments from here on out.
I think you're right about that being odd at first. Change is difficult. I'm not sure I understand it, but thanks for the reply.
Change is good, especially if it is continual over time. A little oddness is at first is no big deal for the trade-off. The Japanese word for the concept is Kaizen. CTE fosters continual change ( non stop improvement ). That's a major beauty of CTE in that the wheels of how to really ALIGN WITH INTENSE FOCUS stop spinning.
Stan Shuffett
Amazingly, in a similar way to you, Lou was a professional writer and spokesperson to the media when he was in the Air Force. He was paid and entrusted to write speeches that he delivered, anticipate questions and preplan answers to be delivered in an articulate fashion, or extemporize verbally on the spot for unanticipated remarks.
Dan White I think is/was a chemical engineer who is articulate in his writing on this forum and I'm sure in his profession.
But ALL of you turn into 65 IQ mental zombies when it comes time to articulate exactly what you see and do with your wondrous FEEL BASED NON AIMING METHOD.
Let me ask you a question, is CTE yours? I assume so but my question is legit, even if it sounds stupid. Im not trying to trap or bash and i will make my point if you choose to answer.
I will also get back to you on my previous post but I dont appreciate the snide "mysterious" assertions as if im going to accept being belittled, when in fact, i wasnt trying to mess with you. I'm trying to come to a dam understanding here for my own benefit and maybe others will benefit too.
However, and i warn you, that this may open another door of argument based on what is actually responsible for successful outcomes, because its a question of delivery, rather than visual system.
If you dont agree that the 2 go hand in hand, then just forget the whole thing, fair enough? That statement is obviously baited on the surface but not in essence to what you say is a mystery for me. It has nothing to do with CTE if you can get past that and trust me.
.....but it also has something to do with CTE in the sense of your personal point of view and if you feel it must be defended to that extent and thats where i can tell you right now, I wont take you seriously on that aspect.
So i guess, now thinking about it, heres a better question and if so, then you can just answer this: Is CTE, if its yours and i see no reason why it shouldnt be, is not just a visual system, but a mechanical one as well?
For instance, to my knowledge, Brian Crist is not saying one has to stand or physically align a certain way.
Thank you.
And for the record, a accomplished player told me that you can try to understand as much as possible, but when it comes time to compete, then its mostly feel.....and as of now, i am forced to agree based on a few things but i wouldnt bet my life on it, but his point is certainly in the lead.
If, you answer, then ill try to address this business or concern of mine of certain shot relationships on particular sides of the table pull one in thick or thin as a visual con job that i dont think is the player's fault. And also how certain body positions skew delivery, despite visuals being correct.
I am asking or mentioning this originally because in that pivoting for CTE pro1, you discuss briefly about elbow positions and that told me you have a high understanding of mechanics and as you know, im not looking exactly for answers, just some answers if this is an actual concern reality or more boogieman phenomenon.
Thanks once again.
One jumping jack
One push up
One sit up
Jump up and shoot!
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