Break Stats -- 2014 Mosconi Cup, Dec. 2014

AtLarge · Dec 2, 2014

I'm keeping track of the break results for the Mosconi Cup that started yesterday at the Tower Circus in Blackpool, England. This event is 9-ball racing to 11 matches, with each match being a race to 5 games. The format is one team match (everyone plays one game), 7 doubles matches, and up to 13 singles matches.

The players for the U.S. are Justin Bergman, Corey Deuel, Justin Hall, John Schmidt, and Shane Van Boening. The players for Europe are Darren Appleton, Karl Boyes, Nikos Ekonomopoulos, Niels Feijen, and Mark Gray.

The conditions for this event include the following: Diamond 9' table, Simonis blue cloth, Super Aramith Pro balls, measles cue ball, jump cues allowed, referee racks in a standard triangle rack with the 9-ball on the foot spot, alternate breaks, break from anywhere behind the head string, no illegal-break rule, 30-sec. shot clock (60 sec. after the break), one 30-sec. extension per side per game, foul on all balls, and all slop counts.

Here are the results for DAYS 1 and 2 Combined -- Mon. 12/1 and Tues. 12/2. The score was 3-2 on Day 1 and 3-2 on Day 2, both in Europe's favor, for a total of 6-4 after two days.

The U.S. broke 36 times, with the following results:

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 20 (56%)

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 8 (22%)

• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 1 (3%)

• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 7 (19%)

Europe broke 38 times, with the following results:

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 19 (50%)

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 7 (18%)

• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 8 (21%)

• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 4 (11%)

For the two teams combined, the breaker made at least one ball (and did not foul) 73% (54 of 74) of the time, won 65% (48 of 74) of the games, and won 72% (39 of 54) of the games in which he made at least one ball on the break and did not foul.

Break-and-run games:

• U.S. -- 12 out of 36 (33%).

• Europe -- 14 out of 38 (37%) including one 9-ball on the break.

• Total -- 26 out of 74 (35%).

Edit -- See Post #10 Below for an Update Through Day 3.

Edit -- See Post #12 Below for the Update Through All 4 Days.

AtLarge · Dec 2, 2014

The break results are drastically different this year from last year. Last year they used a narrow break box (about 6" to each side of center) and an agreement to power break. This year they can break from anywhere behind the line and a cut break is allowed. Also, the pockets were tighter last year.

Broke wet without fouling:
• 2013 all 3 days -- 33%
• 2014 first 2 days -- 73%

Won game when breaking:
• 2013 all 3 days -- 44%
• 2014 first 2 days -- 65%

Won game when broke wet:
• 2013 all 3 days -- 59%
• 2014 first 2 days -- 72%

Break-and-run games:
• 2013 all 3 days -- 10% (5% in games in which the 9-ball was not made on the break)
• 2014 first 2 days -- 35% (34% in games in which the 9-ball was not made on the break)

pt109 · Dec 2, 2014

AtLarge said:
The break results are drastically different this year from last year. Last year they used a narrow break box (about 6" to each side of center) and an agreement to power break. This year they can break from anywhere behind the line and a cut break is allowed. Also, the pockets were tighter last year.

Broke wet without fouling:
• 2013 all 3 days -- 33%
• 2014 first 2 days -- 73%

Won game when breaking:
• 2013 all 3 days -- 44%
• 2014 first 2 days -- 65%

Won game when broke wet:
• 2013 all 3 days -- 59%
• 2014 first 2 days -- 72%

Break-and-run games:
• 2013 all 3 days -- 10% (5% in games in which the 9-ball was not made on the break)
• 2014 first 2 days -- 35% (34% in games in which the 9-ball was not made on the break)

Amazing stats....Johnny Archer is proven right...years ago he said you
make more nines on the break if you break from center.

...a small break box looks like the way to go.

...another stat you may not be aware of....
...in the last few years, I open any thread you start 100% of the time.
:bow-down:

david(tx) · Dec 2, 2014

AtLarge said:
I'm keeping track of the break results for the Mosconi Cup that started yesterday at the Tower Circus in Blackpool, England. This event is 9-ball racing to 11 matches, with each match being a race to 5 games. The format is one team match (everyone plays one game), 7 doubles matches, and up to 13 singles matches.

The players for the U.S. are Justin Bergman, Corey Deuel, Justin Hall, John Schmidt, and Shane Van Boening. The players for Europe are Darren Appleton, Karl Boyes, Nikos Ekonomopoulos, Niels Feijen, and Mark Gray.

The conditions for this event include the following: Diamond 9' table, Simonis blue cloth, Super Aramith Pro balls, measles cue ball, jump cues allowed, referee racks in a standard triangle rack with the 9-ball on the foot spot, alternate breaks, break from anywhere behind the head string, no illegal-break rule, 30-sec. shot clock (60 sec. after the break), one 30-sec. extension per side per game, foul on all balls, and all slop counts.

Here are the results for DAYS 1 and 2 Combined -- Mon. 12/1 and Tues. 12/2. The score was 3-2 on Day 1 and 3-2 on Day 2, both in Europe's favor, for a total of 6-4 after two days.

The U.S. broke 36 times, with the following results:
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 20 (56%)
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 8 (22%)
• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 1 (3%)
• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 7 (19%)

Europe broke 38 times, with the following results:
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 19 (50%)
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 7 (18%)
• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 8 (21%)
• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 4 (11%)

For the two teams combined, the breaker made at least one ball (and did not foul) 73% (54 of 74) of the time, won 65% (48 of 74) of the games, and won 72% (39 of 54) of the games in which he made at least one ball on the break and did not foul.

Break-and-run games:
• U.S. -- 12 out of 36 (33%).
• Europe -- 14 out of 38 (37%) including one 9-ball on the break.
• Total -- 26 out of 74 (35%).

Did you record how many lags were won by each team ? Seems i only remember the USA winning one lag ? I feel that breaking and winning the first rack in a match in a race to 5 is a huge psychological advantage.

AtLarge · Dec 2, 2014

david(tx) said:
Did you record how many lags were won by each team ? Seems i only remember the USA winning one lag ? I feel that breaking and winning the first rack in a match in a race to 5 is a huge psychological advantage.

You are correct -- it's 9-1 in Europe's favor on lags so far, and the USA lost the match where they won the lag (Match #8).

Only one match has gone hill/hill, and the breaking side lost that match (Match #10).

sjm · Dec 2, 2014

Break from anywhere in the kitchen on bucket tables is, perhaps, a bit too easy for players of this caliber, but it's still fair.

Thanks for the stats.

david(tx) · Dec 2, 2014

AtLarge said:
You are correct -- it's 9-1 in Europe's favor on lags so far, and the USA lost the match where they won the lag (Match #8).

Only one match has gone hill/hill, and the breaking side lost that match (Match #10).

Thank you . Some won't see this as a factor but i think it is , if you start a match playing from behind in a race to 5 i believe it adds a bit of pressure.

spartan · Dec 2, 2014

AtLarge said:
I'm keeping track of the break results for the Mosconi Cup that started yesterday at the Tower Circus in Blackpool, England. This event is 9-ball racing to 11 matches, with each match being a race to 5 games. The format is one team match (everyone plays one game), 7 doubles matches, and up to 13 singles matches.

The players for the U.S. are Justin Bergman, Corey Deuel, Justin Hall, John Schmidt, and Shane Van Boening. The players for Europe are Darren Appleton, Karl Boyes, Nikos Ekonomopoulos, Niels Feijen, and Mark Gray.

The conditions for this event include the following: Diamond 9' table, Simonis blue cloth, Super Aramith Pro balls, measles cue ball, jump cues allowed, referee racks in a standard triangle rack with the 9-ball on the foot spot, alternate breaks, break from anywhere behind the head string, no illegal-break rule, 30-sec. shot clock (60 sec. after the break), one 30-sec. extension per side per game, foul on all balls, and all slop counts.

Here are the results for DAYS 1 and 2 Combined -- Mon. 12/1 and Tues. 12/2. The score was 3-2 on Day 1 and 3-2 on Day 2, both in Europe's favor, for a total of 6-4 after two days.

The U.S. broke 36 times, with the following results:
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 20 (56%)
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 8 (22%)
• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 1 (3%)
• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 7 (19%)

Europe broke 38 times, with the following results:
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 19 (50%)
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 7 (18%)
• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 8 (21%)
• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 4 (11%)

For the two teams combined, the breaker made at least one ball (and did not foul) 73% (54 of 74) of the time, won 65% (48 of 74) of the games, and won 72% (39 of 54) of the games in which he made at least one ball on the break and did not foul.

Break-and-run games:
• U.S. -- 12 out of 36 (33%).
• Europe -- 14 out of 38 (37%) including one 9-ball on the break.
• Total -- 26 out of 74 (35%).

Thanks AtLarge
The key stat I see is • Broke dry or fouled but won the game
which Europe overwhelming did better than USA and made the difference .. Either Europe overall has a better safety game or USA failed to capitalise on BIH opportunities

AtLarge · Dec 2, 2014

david(tx) said:
... I feel that breaking and winning the first rack in a match in a race to 5 is a huge psychological advantage.

Sounds logical; we'll have to watch this. But here's what we've got so far:

Europe broke first in 9 of the 10 matches so far. Europe won the first game in 7 of those 9 matches but went on to win the match in only 3 of those 7.

USA broke first once, won the first game in that match, but lost the match. USA lost all 3 matches in which it won the first game.

So the first-game-winning side has lost 7 of the 10 matches so far.

... to be continued ...

AtLarge · Dec 3, 2014

Here are the results for DAYS 1 through 3 Combined -- Mon. 12/1 - Wed. 12/3. The score was 3-2 on Day 1, 3-2 on Day 2, and 3-1 on Day 3, all in Europe's favor, for a total of 9-5 after three days.

The U.S. broke 51 times, with the following results:

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 26 (51%)

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 15 (29%)

• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 1 (2%)

• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 9 (18%)

Europe broke 54 times, with the following results:

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 27 (50%)

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 11 (20%)

• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 9 (17%)

• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 7 (13%)

For the two teams combined, the breaker made at least one ball (and did not foul) 75% (79 of 105) of the time, won 60% (63 of 105) of the games, and won 67% (53 of 79) of the games in which he made at least one ball on the break and did not foul.

Break-and-run games:

• U.S. -- 15 out of 51 (29%).

• Europe -- 19 out of 54 (35%) including one 9-ball on the break.

• Total -- 34 out of 105 (32%).

AtLarge · Dec 3, 2014

AtLarge said:
david(tx) said:

... I feel that breaking and winning the first rack in a match in a race to 5 is a huge psychological advantage.

Click to expand...

Sounds logical; we'll have to watch this. But here's what we've got so far:

Europe broke first in 9 of the 10 matches so far. Europe won the first game in 7 of those 9 matches but went on to win the match in only 3 of those 7.

USA broke first once, won the first game in that match, but lost the match. USA lost all 3 matches in which it won the first game.

So the first-game-winning side has lost 7 of the 10 matches so far.

... to be continued ...

The side that won the first game today lost 3 out of the 4 matches. So the total now is 10 losses in 14 matches for the side winning the first game.

USA did win another lag. So it is now 12-2 Europe on lags.

AtLarge · Dec 4, 2014

Here are the final results for DAYS 1 through 4 Combined -- Mon. 12/1 - Thurs. 12/4. The score was 3-2 on Day 1, 3-2 on Day 2, 3-1 on Day 3, and 2-0 on Day 4 -- all in Europe's favor -- for a final result of 11-5.

The U.S. broke 57 times, with the following results:

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 29 (51%)

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 17 (30%)

• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 1 (2%)

• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 10 (18%)

Europe broke 62 times, with the following results:

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 33 (53%)

• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 12 (19%)

• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 10 (16%)

• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 7 (11%)

For the two teams combined, the breaker made at least one ball (and did not foul) 76% (91 of 119) of the time, won 61% (73 of 119) of the games, and won 68% (62 of 91) of the games in which he made at least one ball on the break and did not foul.

Break-and-run games:
• U.S. -- 17 out of 57 (30%).
• Europe -- 24 out of 62 (39%) including one 9-ball on the break.
• Total -- 41 out of 119 (34%).

AtLarge · Dec 4, 2014

david(tx) said:
... I feel that breaking and winning the first rack in a match in a race to 5 is a huge psychological advantage.

AtLarge said:
Sounds logical; we'll have to watch this. But here's what we've got so far:

Europe broke first in 9 of the 10 matches so far. Europe won the first game in 7 of those 9 matches but went on to win the match in only 3 of those 7.

USA broke first once, won the first game in that match, but lost the match. USA lost all 3 matches in which it won the first game.

So the first-game-winning side has lost 7 of the 10 matches so far.

... to be continued ...

AtLarge said:
The side that won the first game today lost 3 out of the 4 matches. So the total now is 10 losses in 14 matches for the side winning the first game.

USA did win another lag. So it is now 12-2 Europe on lags.

Well, Appleton and Ekonomopoulos both won the lags today (Day 4 of the Cup), broke-and-ran the first game of each match, and won the matches.

So we end up with 14-2 Europe on lags, and the side that won the first game won 6 of the 16 matches. But, of course, the numbers are too small to do any generalizing.

I seem to remember Mark Wilson, while commentating at some past event, saying that he thought the person who won the first game of a match went on to win about 55% of the time. But I have no details on the basis (game, match length, breaking format, etc.) for his comment. Perhaps I'll look into that a little at some point.

AtLarge · Dec 4, 2014

Here are some break stats for each player.

Made a ball on the break (without fouling):

Van Boening -- 14 of 17 (82%)
Deuel -- 9 of 10 (90%)
Schmidt -- 8 of 10 (80%)
Bergman -- 6 of 9 (67%)
Hall -- 9 of 11 (82%)
USA Total -- 46 of 57 (81%)

Feijen -- 9 of 11 (82%)
Appleton -- 11 of 15 (73%)
Boyes -- 4 of 11 (36%)
Ekonomopoulos -- 12 of 14 (86%)
Gray -- 9 of 11 (82%)
Europe Total -- 45 of 62 (73%)

USA + Europe Total -- 91 of 119 (76%)

Breaker's side won the game:

Van Boening -- 10 of 17 (59%)
Deuel -- 5 of 10 (50%)
Schmidt -- 5 of 10 (50%)
Bergman -- 3 of 9 (33%)
Hall -- 7 of 11 (64%)
USA Total -- 30 of 57 (53%)

Feijen -- 7 of 11 (64%)
Appleton -- 12 of 15 (80%)
Boyes -- 6 of 11 (55%)
Ekonomopoulos -- 9 of 14 (64%)
Gray -- 9 of 11 (82%)
Europe Total -- 43 of 62 (69%)

USA + Europe Total -- 73 of 119 (61%)

Colin Colenso · Dec 5, 2014

AtLarge said:
Here are the final results for DAYS 1 through 4 Combined -- Mon. 12/1 - Thurs. 12/4. The score was 3-2 on Day 1, 3-2 on Day 2, 3-1 on Day 3, and 2-0 on Day 4 -- all in Europe's favor -- for a final result of 11-5.

The U.S. broke 57 times, with the following results:
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 29 (51%)
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 17 (30%)
• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 1 (2%)
• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 10 (18%)

Europe broke 62 times, with the following results:
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 33 (53%)
• Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 12 (19%)
• Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 10 (16%)
• Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 7 (11%)

For the two teams combined, the breaker made at least one ball (and did not foul) 76% (91 of 119) of the time, won 61% (73 of 119) of the games, and won 68% (62 of 91) of the games in which he made at least one ball on the break and did not foul.

Break-and-run games:
• U.S. -- 17 out of 57 (30%).
• Europe -- 24 out of 62 (39%) including one 9-ball on the break.
• Total -- 41 out of 119 (34%).

What stands out as the major differences to me are:

1. Europe had 45 legal wet breaks and ran out 24 of them: 53.3%
US ran out only 17 of 46 legal wet breaks: 37%

2. On dry and foul breaks, US won only 9.1% versus Europe 58.9%.

3. US had 46 of 57 legal wet breaks: 80.7% versus Europe 45 of 62: 72.6%

Suggesting Europe is much stronger in both finishing and safety. If Europe can improve their breaking, US will be in even more trouble.

AtLarge · Dec 5, 2014

Colin Colenso said:
What stands out as the major differences to me are:

1. Europe had 45 legal wet breaks and ran out 24 of them: 53.3%
US ran out only 17 of 46 legal wet breaks: 37%

2. On dry and foul breaks, US won only 9.1% versus Europe 58.9%.

3. US had 46 of 57 legal wet breaks: 80.7% versus Europe 45 of 62: 72.6%

Suggesting Europe is much stronger in both finishing and safety. If Europe can improve their breaking, US will be in even more trouble.

Good points; thanks for looking closely at the numbers.

AtLarge · Dec 5, 2014

Here are the break-and-run results for each player. [Caveat: small numbers]

Van Boening -- 4 of 17 (24%)
Deuel -- 3 of 10 (30%)
Schmidt -- 4 of 10 (40%)
Bergman -- 2 of 9 (22%)
Hall -- 4 of 11 (36%)
USA Total -- 17 of 57 (30%)

Feijen -- 4 of 11 (36%)
Appleton -- 6 of 15 (40%)
Boyes -- 2 of 11 (18%)
Ekonomopoulos -- 6 of 14 (43%)
Gray -- 6 of 11 (55%)
Europe Total -- 24 of 62 (39%)

USA + Europe Total -- 41 of 119 (34%)

[Note: A B&R in a doubles game is credited here to the breaker.]

Colin Colenso · Dec 5, 2014

AtLarge said:
Here are the break-and-run results for each player. [Caveat: small numbers]

Van Boening -- 4 of 17 (24%)
Deuel -- 3 of 10 (30%)
Schmidt -- 4 of 10 (40%)
Bergman -- 2 of 9 (22%)
Hall -- 4 of 11 (36%)
USA Total -- 17 of 57 (30%)

Feijen -- 4 of 11 (36%)
Appleton -- 6 of 15 (40%)
Boyes -- 2 of 11 (18%)
Ekonomopoulos -- 6 of 14 (43%)
Gray -- 6 of 11 (55%)
Europe Total -- 24 of 62 (39%)

USA + Europe Total -- 41 of 119 (34%)

Have you got legal wet breaks for each player?

BeiberLvr · Dec 5, 2014

How was Nikos not the MVP?

AtLarge · Dec 5, 2014

Colin Colenso said:
Have you got legal wet breaks for each player?

Yes; see post #14 or the list below in this post -- wet breaks without fouling.

No illegal-break rule (x balls must pass y line) was used this year or last year.

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Here are the results for each player for break-and-run games on successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):

Van Boening -- 4 of 14 (29%)
Deuel -- 3 of 9 (33%)
Schmidt -- 4 of 8 (50%)
Bergman -- 2 of 6 (33%)
Hall -- 4 of 9 (44%)
USA Total -- 17 of 46 (37%)

Feijen -- 4 of 9 (44%)
Appleton -- 6 of 11 (55%)
Boyes -- 2 of 4 (50%)
Ekonomopoulos -- 6 of 12 (50%)
Gray -- 6 of 9 (67%)
Europe Total -- 24 of 45 (53%)

USA + Europe Total -- 41 of 91 (45%)

[Note: A B&R in a doubles game is credited here to the breaker.]

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