Now that you mention it Corey Deuel said something on the stream during the Christmas Classic 8ball tournament that he was going to a Chinese 8ball tournament in the beginning of January
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Now that you mention it Corey Deuel said something on the stream during the Christmas Classic 8ball tournament that he was going to a Chinese 8ball tournament in the beginning of January
He's got a much better chance at Turning Stone, but it's good that he's challenging himself.
Am I the only person who thinks the Mosconi cup is not a measure of pool greatness ?
Andy
never really saw the big deal
Nope, you're far from alone. The made for TV event is a yawn, mainly because I have zero interest in the team play (somehow our Coach can't recognize that our team talks way tooo much), and the races to 5 are a crap shoot. Also, 9 ball still?
I think the Mosconi Cup is great to watch. Short races intensifies the drama. The crowd is loud and the pressure is over the top. BUT...it is terrible for the players....short races in 9 ball REALLY? Its a crap shoot and if I were to have to pay my $$$ to enter this event then...no way would I enter. This format is for the viewing audience ...there were 18 points(I think)....8 hill hill matches...that could have gone either way ..........made for TV and a loud audience .....
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The one pocket
Big Truck posted the lineup and none of the Mosconi Cup players are in it.
Wedge
Big Truck posted the lineup and none of the Mosconi Cup players are in it.
Wedge
Mike does not allow this. If you can't make it, Mike will notify next in line. I agree with this if only for the simple reason someone could buy in and then sell to the highest bidder.
Yup!
Make a mold ,copy it and then make 3 or 4 more Like Mike Zuglan. (They won't even argue with each other!) :thumbup:
The great thing about Turning Stone is that it is a PRO-am event. Mike Zuglan treats EVERYONE the same,..... he's Pure Platinum Pool ! :smile:
Looking at the players list, every A+ to Shortstop is gonna be there this year,(I only seen 2 names missing).
Maybe them MC guys a little shaken by the pool of talent there this year ! :grin-square:
Make a mold ,copy it and then make 3 or 4 more Like Mike Zuglan. (They won't even argue with each other!) :thumbup:
The great thing about Turning Stone is that it is a PRO-am event. Mike Zuglan treats EVERYONE the same,..... he's Pure Platinum Pool ! :smile:
Looking at the players list, every A+ to Shortstop is gonna be there this year,(I only seen 2 names missing).
Maybe them MC guys a little shaken by the pool of talent there this year ! :grin-square:
I think you guys are completely missing the point.
So what if someone doesn't play in Mosconi Cup points events?
What is Mosconi Cup worth? 20k if you win, 10k if you lose to each player?
IF you get on the team?
Some players are more concerned about making a living, rather than selling their soul to play in every single Mosconi Cup points event.
I know we can all criticize players left and right on here about what WE think is right or not, but look at it from a players point of view.
Would you rather go play in an event where the winner can make 3 or 4 times what Mosconi Cup pays? Or a Mosconi Cup points event where you don't stand to make nearly as much money if you actually do well.
Players are gonna do what's in their best interests.
They are gonna figure out their costs vs the possible return and make their choices.
Sometimes, that can mean, not slaving away and going to every single Mosconi Cup points event.
Sometimes, picking and choosing ones events, payout, field size, field difficulty, vs time invested, is the smarter choice.
There is a whole year ahead.
If they miss every single Mosconi Cup points event, THEN you can start complaining about what they did wrong.
At the end of the day, I doubt certain players are going to care if they got on Mosconi cup or not if they made more money playing in stuff that didn't qualify them.
So what if someone doesn't play in Mosconi Cup points events?
What is Mosconi Cup worth? 20k if you win, 10k if you lose to each player?
IF you get on the team?
Some players are more concerned about making a living, rather than selling their soul to play in every single Mosconi Cup points event.
I know we can all criticize players left and right on here about what WE think is right or not, but look at it from a players point of view.
Would you rather go play in an event where the winner can make 3 or 4 times what Mosconi Cup pays? Or a Mosconi Cup points event where you don't stand to make nearly as much money if you actually do well.
Players are gonna do what's in their best interests.
They are gonna figure out their costs vs the possible return and make their choices.
Sometimes, that can mean, not slaving away and going to every single Mosconi Cup points event.
Sometimes, picking and choosing ones events, payout, field size, field difficulty, vs time invested, is the smarter choice.
There is a whole year ahead.
If they miss every single Mosconi Cup points event, THEN you can start complaining about what they did wrong.
At the end of the day, I doubt certain players are going to care if they got on Mosconi cup or not if they made more money playing in stuff that didn't qualify them.
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Superstar,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if a person wants to make a living playing tournament pool, they would 1st- enter as many tournaments as possible- and 2nd- enter the tournaments that had the better payouts. Surely the Mosconi Cup points tournaments falls into that category. Also, making the Mosconi Cup team in itself is profitable, and prestigious. I cannot imagine any player that would not want to make the team. Yes, sometimes there will be conflicts or circumstances where people miss tournaments, but when a player misses a large percentage of them, the only thing one can say is that they're not interested, and pick players that are. I don't think there will be a lot of scheduling conflicts where a player can make more money somewhere else-some, but not many
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if a person wants to make a living playing tournament pool, they would 1st- enter as many tournaments as possible- and 2nd- enter the tournaments that had the better payouts. Surely the Mosconi Cup points tournaments falls into that category. Also, making the Mosconi Cup team in itself is profitable, and prestigious. I cannot imagine any player that would not want to make the team. Yes, sometimes there will be conflicts or circumstances where people miss tournaments, but when a player misses a large percentage of them, the only thing one can say is that they're not interested, and pick players that are. I don't think there will be a lot of scheduling conflicts where a player can make more money somewhere else-some, but not many
What does 1st at Turning Stone pay?
What does 1st at the Chinese 8ball pay? (No Mosconi points)
While you are at it.
Why not add up all the Mosconi Cup points event 1st places, and then compare that to the 98K that Darren won at the Chinese 8ball World Championship.
What if there is a tournament that has a star studded field, and a player has the opportunity to beat up on some fish for a lot of money that is more local with less travel expenses?
Mosconi cup is just 1 aspect of the American Pool landscape.
There are plenty of players who don't care about making the team.
Especially when making the team means travelling to absolutely everything, and not really making THAT MUCH MORE profit, then had they not blows tons of money on the tournament trail.
One player who was in the top five points wise for most of the year and didn't make it said that he was stuck 17K in expenses chasing points over the year. Even winning would have barely made a profit. I'm not knocking the MC in any way, I think the rivalry, short races, all the pressure, and the crowd make a great event
My point exactly.
It costs money to play. And there is no guarantee of winning.
How many people have a salary like SVB does from cuetec?
Not many.
Sometimes it's just not worth it.
You play in the events you want to play in, and if you make Mosconi Cup, that's great.
If you don't, oh well.
But you might have saved money in the long run.
That's what people need to understand instead of getting bent out of shape about it.
American pool players do not have some patriotic duty/obligation to play in everything Mosconi Cup, simply because the fans want to see them compete.
If that's the case, let the fans on AZ sponsor their favorite players to all the Mosconi Cup events.
Although I am a long term supporter of Matchroom I am disappointed in their decision to make the criteria for selection a ten month qualifying trek where the team is not known until a few week before the event.
In reality there are less than a dozen US players currently capable of performing to the required standard to represent the USA. But with NO exceptions/ every one of them would have to up their skill level to match their European counterparts. Any dedicated pool fan on AZ would probably be able to name most of this Dirty Dozen
With the tournament route, not only is it expensive but over half of these will be disappointingly out of pocket. A good example of this would be Scott Frost who was within touching distance of the final team. Forking out $1000 for a final charge at the US Open he failed to match his pacemaking form in one event and watched Mike Dechaine and Corey Deuel deny him his dream.
Now is the time for Mark Wilson to play to his strengths. For the last two years he has made an excellent job as Team Manager, a position requiring lots of administration.
But he is a world class COACH and his talent would better be used in One to One coaching of his core players. Shane is not exempt from this and Mark could take his consistency up a notch or two. The same applies to Justin and Sky. They are near neighbors and could help Mark by helping each other.
Mike Dechaine should round off this initial batch who need to close the skill/attitude gap that exists between the USA and Europe.
The tournament scene can continue and players can make financial decisions on these without the feeling of being shackled to the calendar. Anyone who produces an exceptional performance in any substantial event will have his feats analysed by Mark Wilson and possibly get invited on to his CLOSE THE GAP program. This ensures that the selection process is not a closed shop.
One of the major flaws in a tounment based points system is that one prospective team hopeful could get an early exit at the hands of Ko Pin Yi or Jayson Shaw while another might go further against a couple of short stops.
In reality there are less than a dozen US players currently capable of performing to the required standard to represent the USA. But with NO exceptions/ every one of them would have to up their skill level to match their European counterparts. Any dedicated pool fan on AZ would probably be able to name most of this Dirty Dozen
With the tournament route, not only is it expensive but over half of these will be disappointingly out of pocket. A good example of this would be Scott Frost who was within touching distance of the final team. Forking out $1000 for a final charge at the US Open he failed to match his pacemaking form in one event and watched Mike Dechaine and Corey Deuel deny him his dream.
Now is the time for Mark Wilson to play to his strengths. For the last two years he has made an excellent job as Team Manager, a position requiring lots of administration.
But he is a world class COACH and his talent would better be used in One to One coaching of his core players. Shane is not exempt from this and Mark could take his consistency up a notch or two. The same applies to Justin and Sky. They are near neighbors and could help Mark by helping each other.
Mike Dechaine should round off this initial batch who need to close the skill/attitude gap that exists between the USA and Europe.
The tournament scene can continue and players can make financial decisions on these without the feeling of being shackled to the calendar. Anyone who produces an exceptional performance in any substantial event will have his feats analysed by Mark Wilson and possibly get invited on to his CLOSE THE GAP program. This ensures that the selection process is not a closed shop.
One of the major flaws in a tounment based points system is that one prospective team hopeful could get an early exit at the hands of Ko Pin Yi or Jayson Shaw while another might go further against a couple of short stops.