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07-17-2017, 12:33 PM

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Yeah but you could save a lot by doing the procedure yourself..
Doc might need a nurse to help with that, but he could dismiss the anethesiologist.

Seriously, this is the nicest set of older JossWest cues around.

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Yeah but you could save a lot by doing the procedure yourself..
Save on labor for sure, plus he has the pick of the litter for kidney's on the secondary market.


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07-17-2017, 05:20 PM

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Yeah but you could save a lot by doing the procedure yourself..

I sure can!

Are you volunteering?


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07-17-2017, 05:21 PM

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Doc might need a nurse to help with that, but he could dismiss the anethesiologist.

Seriously, this is the nicest set of older JossWest cues around.

All the best,
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Yes, it is an amazing collection for sure.



And my daughter could help. I just need somebody to hold the retractors, a monkey could do it.

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07-17-2017, 06:29 PM

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Yes, it is an amazing collection for sure.

And my daughter could help. I just need somebody to hold the retractors, a monkey could do it.
I'll hold the retractors, for your Joss.

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07-17-2017, 10:05 PM

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I'll hold the retractors, for your Joss.

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Between you and Chop, I'm getting a little worried/paranoid..


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07-18-2017, 07:59 AM

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That's why your attachment to Lucasi is so puzzling



Seriously though, it would be interesting to hear about the tapers Joss & Josswest used back then, and how they compare to each other as well as Joss now, and other pro-tapered shafts.
It's hard for me to just look at them and tell the difference, I have to play with the cue to tell.
I tried to do some shaft taper comparing last night but I need to spend more time with it.
The original shaft taper for the early Joss Cues was taken from a Balabuska shaft.

I measured the shaft every 3" and recorded the measurements on a hand drawing. I still have the drawing.

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07-18-2017, 08:03 AM

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There's no comparison with Joss shaft tapers then, and now. Then, if you're talking late 60s and 70s, shafts were quite large by today's standards, 13 1/4, 13 1/2, and even larger were the norm. Also, pro taper meant just that, the thickness stayed the same for at least the first ten inches or so, then gradually widened. Today, the standard, including Joss would generally be thinner at the start, and gradually increasing, rather than a constant diameter for that section of the shaft.

A whole host of reasons for the difference. First, slower napped cloth was the standard, mostly Brunsco wool, as well as Mali cloth. You had to slug the cue ball a lot harder than today. Second, pool was mostly played by men, with larger hands. Also, the cue butts were much thicker than today, so the shafts naturally were thicker as well. Today, with faster cloth, the shaft thickness has gone down to more like 12 3/4 and 12 1/2, with gradually increasing diameter all the way, not the constant thickness they used to be for a large part of the shaft. Most of today's cues, including shaft tapers, do not resemble the ones of that era.

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I agree with everything you said in your post.

Most of the last cues I made had 12 3/4 MM shafts and that is what I play with today.

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07-18-2017, 08:08 AM

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That all implex buttsleeve is quite unusual. And old school. Love it.

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I think I made that cue for a player in Tulsa OK.

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07-18-2017, 08:21 AM

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I agree with everything you said in your post.

Most of the last cues I made had 12 3/4 MM shafts and that is what I play with today.

Bill S.
The two shafts I have by you for my old block letter Joss are in fact about 12 3/4. I got them with the cue about 1985. I have always thought they were their original diameter. You have helped confirm that notion.

I have since located a couple original block letter shafts but the two I got with it that you made are the player shafts for that cue (not so easy to find). Simply put they are better, at least for me.


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07-18-2017, 08:24 AM

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The original shaft taper for the early Joss Cues was taken from a Balabuska shaft.

I measured the shaft every 3" and recorded the measurements on a hand drawing. I still have the drawing.

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Beautiful piece of history there. Thank you.

In a way it makes Joss and your work an extension of the legacy of George Balabushka.

Very cool.


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07-18-2017, 09:31 AM

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The original shaft taper for the early Joss Cues was taken from a Balabuska shaft.

I measured the shaft every 3" and recorded the measurements on a hand drawing. I still have the drawing.

Bill S.
Thank you
That's cool

The cue with the long implex butt sleeve really grew on me.
At first I didn't buy it, but as a day or two went buy, I started to really appreciate the design.
The colors are fantastic, and it's a 59" cue.
Two others are 59 as well.


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I agree with everything you said in your post.

Most of the last cues I made had 12 3/4 MM shafts and that is what I play with today.

Bill S.
Thanks for confirming. There are not too many of us who remember those old days, and the differences in specs today.

All the best,
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