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I thought so, too. I was beginning to wonder if I was nuts for applying real world numbers to a hypothetical conversation.Workmanship
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I thought so, too. I was beginning to wonder if I was nuts for applying real world numbers to a hypothetical conversation.
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What does it take for someone to hand you an Omniturn????
Not trying to split hairs here but does this mean all my cues that I built before I started using finishing mandrels are sub-standard if a shaft built later doesn't match up per diameter size?
Personally, I don't believe this to be true so lets throw that one out for the custom builders. If I were a production guy and had the same style ring work (Eg... a solid silver ring with a black collar) on every one of my cues then it may fit the profile.
Very good point. Sanding mandrels don't have a thing to do with installing a joint pin straight.
A big consultation fee.
I understand completely.
I mentioned that a conversation happened here and the comment was made. I didn't say that was my opinion. It was actually several cue makers who picked on that point about the PI cues, not me.
I introduced it only as an example of the topic.
Clearly the PI makers do a lot with very little so to speak.
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No, why should it mean that?
It looks like you are digging for an insult or looking for something to pick on there.
The question was not about the diameter anyway, it was about pins being off center.
You are pretty darn well known maker of high regard. I suspect if you made a shaft for one of your own cues it would fit pretty darn well even if you didn't have the butt in your hands to match it. I would guess that your earlier work, like most cuemakers before they settle on dimensions they prefer etc, probably varied a little more than their later work.
I also suspect if somebody wanted a shaft for one of your early cues they would send it to you for proper fitment.
I am not here to insult anybody's work. The question really is about workmanship in general in the industry, including especially production type cues, mostly I got thinking about it because of the prevalence of ordering shafts without sending the butt in. This is extremely common these days.
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You still have to deal with vibrations.
I find live boring with the lathe spindle released and just hand cranking to be more accurate.
That tip was given away by BHQ eons ago. He sure is correct.
Chop...not trying for an insult or dig on anyone. If you go back to where I quoted what YOU said, all I said was I disagree with your analysis of how shafts fitting should be considered. I took it as what you said about shafts not fitting properly at a later date was a sign of poor quality workmanship if the builder didn't have the butt. In fact, if I don't have the butt, I can't guarantee the fit and ring alignment and it has zero to do with my work quality.
Guaranteed if I was going for an insult everyone would have known it by now.
I made a shaft for a Brugge cue locally.
Dave sent me a screw so I can make a turning mandrel.
It was cake . Owner was happy.
Point taken by Dan Janes runs Joss.
Stroud was the consultant for Kao Kao in Taiwan iirc.
Chopdoc
Building shafts without having the butt to match is probably what brought about all these questions ( I saw another one of your posting where a shaft was ordered and had to be re-faced for a better fit, nothing to do with off-center insert or pin). I won't make a shaft without having the butt to match whether it be mine or anybody-else also I don't think inter-changeable shafts are a prerequisite to anything except consumer comfort.
Mario
Building shafts without having the butt to match is probably what brought about all these questions ( I saw another one of your posting where a shaft was ordered and had to be re-faced for a better fit, nothing to do with off-center insert or pin). I won't make a shaft without having the butt to match whether it be mine or anybody-else also I don't think inter-changeable shafts are a prerequisite to anything except consumer comfort.
Mario
Straight is not the same as centered. That's was the point of chopdoc's original post. It could have been centered when installed and if a mandrell was not made correctly become off center when sanded.
Stainless joints?
I see them today, made recently run off up to .010 ÷2 of course. That usually means the forearm wasn't indicated before installed and machined which also means the pilot is off. People assume thier collets are perfect and proceed. Doing repairs has made me aware of a lot of different factors which add to the riddles.
My stainless for example.
I indicate the forearm. Install the joint then machine the joint between centers like I machine my cues. Joint screw last. Just my method. When I spin my cue. I don't want it bouncing anywhere and that includes the joint.
Semantics. Tomato potato. I'm well aware of what, "center", means. But thanks anyway
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Rest assured then engineers in the crowd understood and agreed with your perspective.
Dave <-- remembers well lectures about accuracy and precision, about 35 +- 2 years ago :thumbup: