Help : Changing joint n pin !!!

KJ Cues

Pro Cue Builder & Repair
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Send it to Seyberts, the largest Predator dealer in the world and they will make your dream happen.
 

Chopdoc

AzB Silver Member
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Haha thats a a nice story , i got ur drift.

But do bear in mind we are human beings and its in our most basic nature to over complicate n mess things up most of the time loll.

Then again, i wldnt mind jusy being the cue n if i dont like the feel just sell it .
Thanks

We all do it! :thumbup:


I have done it with Harleys and bikes in general....too often. :eek::grin:


But I have a hard time selling...hence I have six motorcycles in my garage..... :eek:;):grin:



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Ak Guy

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Mellers?

Muellers has an induction heater and just did some work for me. They will give you a cost over the phone. They had my cue for about 3 weeks.
 

Cezar Morales

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Well $hit , I guess I should say good luck.
I am not a predator fan because I have worked on they're shafts :rolleyes:
But your the customer and if you like the way they're shafts play then I am happy for you ... think you might have a fever or msha or something but hey if your happy we are all happy......

Best of luck



Mike , believe me, whenever anyone ask for recommendation on LD shafts, i have never offered predator.
I detest the fact that it is laminated n not solid maple.
In fact , i always offer Mezz which is definitely top of the production chain in terms of fit finish n quality, one piece solid maple.
And Keith Josey's shaft too.
Never once offered predator.

However , i tried a pred shaft on my custom n never look back, been playing the best pool of my life even knowing predator's cons.

For me at this stage, play with what u like best man.

My 2 cents and thanks to everyone for sharing.
I really appreciate ur time n i've gotten a much better picture on my options !
 

Cezar Morales

AzB Silver Member
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We all do it! :thumbup:


I have done it with Harleys and bikes in general....too often. :eek::grin:


But I have a hard time selling...hence I have six motorcycles in my garage..... :eek:;):grin:



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Now, u found the perfect reason not to sell n explain to wifey when she gets pissed off lol
 

Shawn Armstrong

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Mike , believe me, whenever anyone ask for recommendation on LD shafts, i have never offered predator.
I detest the fact that it is laminated n not solid maple.
In fact , i always offer Mezz which is definitely top of the production chain in terms of fit finish n quality, one piece solid maple.
And Keith Josey's shaft too.
Never once offered predator.

However , i tried a pred shaft on my custom n never look back, been playing the best pool of my life even knowing predator's cons.

For me at this stage, play with what u like best man.

My 2 cents and thanks to everyone for sharing.
I really appreciate ur time n i've gotten a much better picture on my options !

Um, you consider Keith Josey's shafts to be low deflection? Have you ever played with a Josey?
 

ctyhntr

RIP Kelly
Silver Member
Or just order the cue and shaft from Seyberts and have them do the work. They're authorized for Predator repair work, so you may be able to keep the warranty intact.

Send it to Seyberts, the largest Predator dealer in the world and they will make your dream happen.
 

Cezar Morales

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Um, you consider Keith Josey's shafts to be low deflection? Have you ever played with a Josey?
Sorry , i wasnt clear.

When ppl ask for recommendation on ld shafts, i offered mezz.
And for normal maple shafts, its josey for me.

I played with Judd, Gilbert, Olney, Southwest, Blackcreek
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I love the hit n feel of my Josey most, very solid, good feel and lowest deflecting among em.
Actually gilbert was lower, but Josey was more solid.

I guess its really subjective n the shafts u got
 

Kim Bye

AzB Silver Member
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No disrespect intended but changing out the uni loc is quite easy and with a torch too. The screw sits in 2 5/16 deep. A Radial screw sits approx. 2 1/8 and with the lead on the tap. No problems. Standard 3/8x10 also easily done.

Mr. Morales
If you are going to buy a Predator full cue. Why not just get one with a Radial joint screw and avoid the extra cost, labor, and possible aggravation?

No offense taken Michael. It's simple to change the pin and joint collar when you have all the tools. To me it sounded almost like Cesar was considering doing the job himself. Knowing that the difference of a thou is what separates a good job from a bad one, and how much care and attention must be used to get a perfect result, i still dont classify a joint pin change or collar change a simple job. Changing a tip, that's a simple job.
Anyways as you said it's a fairly expensive job and might not be worth it on a cheap production cue.
 

cuenut

AzB Silver Member
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Chevy man at auto shop:

I just bought this brand new Shelby Mustang, but I am a Chevy guy. The torque curve feels better on a Chevy Camaro to me.

The Mustang motor has 1 less horsepower at 3800RPM. And The Chevy has 4 more foot pounds of torque at 2200 RPM. The power curve analysis on these as published in Rich Car Enthusiast Magazine demonstrated a slightly better curve on the dyno for the Chevy. On top of that I hate the way the #3 valve feels when it closes on the Ford motor at 4100RPM. It just does not feel organic like the Chevy motor.

So, can you put the Chevy motor in my Mustang?

Mechanic: Yes.

Chevy Man: Will it be expensive?

Mechanic: How much money you got?

Chevy Man: Will it be complicated?

Mechanic: No problem. How much money you got?

Chevy Man: How fast will it be?

Mechanic: How much money you got?

Chevy Man: Will it feel like a Chevy?

Mechanic: Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Chevy Man: Will it void the warranty?

Mechanic: Yup.

Chevy Man: Who will service it if it needs work?

Mechanic: I will, but likely nobody else will want to touch it.

Chevy Man: When can you start?

Mechanic: How much money you got?

Chevy Man: How long will it take?

Mechanic: How much money you got?



One year later the Chevy Man is posting his woes in a car forum after having gone back and forth with Mechanic who still has the car...which has been cut in half for almost a year and sits up on blocks.

The Chevy Man finally gets the car three days before he dies of old age.

The Chevy Man finds himself in heaven where Carroll Shelby beats the daylights out of him with the tie rod from a Shelby GT500 before branding a Cobra logo on his forehead.


There is always some guy in the neighborhood that tries to put a 426 Hemi in a Chevette. One in a hundred succeeds...the rest eventually sell off the parts or die trying.




:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:





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What I was thinking, and BTW I have a Mustang, but only a '68 convertible with 302.
 

Black-Balled

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
What does that mean... SKODA ..? Guido Orlandi lives in Michigan, he is an American & a great Cue maker...

Skoda is a car brand we dont have here.

My point was that when you choose unique things, they require unique attention.
 

Michael Webb

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
No offense taken Michael. It's simple to change the pin and joint collar when you have all the tools. To me it sounded almost like Cesar was considering doing the job himself. Knowing that the difference of a thou is what separates a good job from a bad one, and how much care and attention must be used to get a perfect result, i still dont classify a joint pin change or collar change a simple job. Changing a tip, that's a simple job.
Anyways as you said it's a fairly expensive job and might not be worth it on a cheap production cue.


That would depend on, if you've ever done 1, or 100. Lol
 

Kim Bye

AzB Silver Member
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That would depend on, if you've ever done 1, or 100. Lol

Of course, practice makes perfect and each pin has it`s spesifications.
You still need the right equipment, set up the right way to be able to do a good job.
And if you need to change the joint collar, that certainly makes the whole operation more time consuming. The big question then is; is it worth it?
I have another customer who wanted to do very similar things to his $400 Lucasi cue.
He also wanted to switch out the handle with another type hanldle and extend the buttcap.
When you need to do so much deconstruction to something that might be better to build from scratch, the way the customer want`s it in the first place, it`s often not a project worth taking on.
 

Michael Webb

AzB Silver Member
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Of course, practice makes perfect and each pin has it`s spesifications.
You still need the right equipment, set up the right way to be able to do a good job.
And if you need to change the joint collar, that certainly makes the whole operation more time consuming. The big question then is; is it worth it?
I have another customer who wanted to do very similar things to his $400 Lucasi cue.
He also wanted to switch out the handle with another type hanldle and extend the buttcap.
When you need to do so much deconstruction to something that might be better to build from scratch, the way the customer want`s it in the first place, it`s often not a project worth taking on.


To far off the track of this thread for me.
But!
The correct answer is and always be.
Prices are not based on what you paid for a cue. We advise and mutually decide the next move.
 
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