Digicue Review - Cornerman

Cornerman

Cue Author...Sometimes
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Hi, all. I've been asked to give a review of the Digicue. I didn't want to put it on the other Digicue review thread, as that one is for the unit being passed around. Mine is not that. Additionally, I'm giving a review in the same style as I would in my normal job (new product manufacturing/assembly development of electro-mechanical devices and automation/sensors/plastic specialist) as well as mixing in pool player/instructional thoughts.

It's long, so skip now.

Form

My Digicue set for test and review are natural (translucent “white”, no pigment) as opposed to the black ones in the picture. There are two sizes in the set. The units are made of silicone, and have de-bossed molded logo and decoration that includes a functional, tactile button when aligned with the PCBA switch.

The PCBA is mounted in a circular housing. The housing on mine looks like printed or cast, not injection molded. I think it’s printed. It’s (the housing) is not brittle, and captures the circular PCBA by snap features. I see no hotmelt. I’d like to see this potted in future revisions for moisture protection,and I’d like to see molded polypropylene if a plastic housing is still needed.

Black will look much better than my natural white version. As it is, you can’t notice the Digicue is there as the shooter, but the natural white is pretty noticeable. I’m surprised nobody out of the blue asked me what that white shmootz at the end of my cue is.

Fit

Fit of PCBA to DigiCue Bumper

It’s a bit tricky to assemble the PCBA to the Bumper as it’s a deep-well, pseudo-blind fit. The user has to align the decorative button with the PCBA switch and then push down into a blind bore that isn’t rigid. Not the end of the world, if you only plan on doing it once. Removing the PCBA is as difficult, and I wouldn’t recommend it. Maybe a removal feature is needed for battery change/check (standard Lithium button cell CR2032) or swapping from pool to carom sizes. I used a small screwdriver. Again, I'm not sure I'd advise that.

Fit to Cue

The two sizes are reported as being for pool cues and carom cues. I’ve tested the pool version (large) on two cues: (Andy) Gilbert & RAT (Ryan Theewen of Mueller). The Gilbert butt is ~1.26” dia. and the RAT is just under 1.23” dia. That’s quite a bit of difference, and it is accentuated with the Fit of the larger Digicue. It fits nice and snug on the Gilbert; it’s floppy on the RAT. On the RAT, I have to realign the fit often, as it tends to move when I put the butt end on the floor.

Additionally, I have a flat bumper on the Andy Gilbert, and I have a Tiger Extension adapter/bumper on the Ryan Theewen. So the additional bumper length gives me less butt for the Digicue to engage. I did try the smaller Digicue on the RAT cue. Just a bit too small, but I think it would work.

Removing the Digicue from the Gilbert is a not easy. You have to sort of work it off or roll it off like so many condoms. Don’t pull on the end (for either the Digicue or for condoms).

Removing the Digicue from the RAT cue is much easier, but there really is no danger of this simply falling off. The silicone surface has a lot of friction.

Function

The Digicue works as advertised,even with the additional length of the Tiger Extension bumper. Three pain levels from simple to impossible  , all accessible with a push of the functional button. I think that most players who have worked on stroke delivery and follow through will figure out what the Digicue is looking at (non-axial grip-end displacement within .XXX seconds of feeling the cueball impulse) to signal the buzzer. Most who work on stroke delivery should be able to stroke shots in the most difficult mode and not get it to buzz.

Thoughts, Notes, and Summary

Most players will find it interesting and discouraging how even on the beginner mode, the Digicue will buzz on certain shots. The Digicue needs your hands to be still for about 2 seconds after contact (I believe 0.7 seconds is the monitor time, but it seems like I need to stay dead still for a count of two). That tends to be quite a long time. Great for a teaching and practice to hone in a freeze-type follow through. But I think it’s a bit long for normal play. It also seems to be more sensitive to firm English shot. This could be simply that the transverse wave has made its way down to the grip hand, and the grip hand might move or roll well after cue ball contact, but at highest, professional setting, it goes off on me most firm English shot. We’ve video’d… no apparent motion is seen, but very slight motion is tough to see on video, so the Digicue is probably working exactly as needed.

From an instructional point perspective, because of its difficulty to switch from one cue to another, an instructor would have to willingly go through that difficulty, or have the student use the instructor’s cue. I’d rather that the student use his own cue, so maybe a easy on/off collet redesign could be evaluated. As it is, every time I take the Digicue off, I feel like I’m going to tear something. But, maybe it gets easier. Maybe as an instructor, powder is necessary (let’s pott the board!!!)

From a player point of view, it works perfectly during set, practice shots to really hone in the freeze and still hands. Playing with it on full time, it buzzes if I move my hands prior to 2 seconds or so. That’s a bit disruptive for me. And playing on a bar table, you need to move or else you’ll get hit with an object ball or cueball.

Incidentally, the bumper design of the Digicue works as a bumper should. I confess to smacking that bumper when a particular shot went awry... still works!

Overall, I think the Digicue is a fantastic idea, and that every instructor should have one or twelve. I’ve commented on what improvements I think could be made, but this released version is no prototype and works as designed. Great job Nathan and the OB team!


Freddie <~~~ needed photos
 
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Bavafongoul

AzB Silver Member
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Thank you for the thorough evaluation of the device, as well as your own thoughts about its design.
I'm either #9 or #10 on the list to test the DigiCue and your explanation was very insightful & helpful.


Matt B.
 

9Ballr

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Thanks for the review.

Sounds like several 1st gen things need to, or will, be worked out.
Personally I don't understand why the rubber sleeve on the device has to go
so far up the cue. Wouldn't it be enough to go up an inch or so?
Also, seems like having a way to insert the device into the sleeve from the
other end is a must. A rubber piece with threads, kinda like a cue bumper
might be a decent start.

As to taking the device of and on, maybe it would be best to leave it on another
cue that one might have. A cue that weights 0.8 oz less than your regular cue.
Which of course means then you're getting practice with another cue, so.....

One more thing; do you know if using this device means you have to drop
your shoulder in order to keep the cue perfectly level and not raise the butt end.
Or is it ok to only move the elbow (which raises the butt)?
 

Dan White

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Does this product have anything to do with the QMD device, or are they totally separate groups of people?
 

Poolhall60561

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Nice review. The cost seems very reasonable so I think I will get one.
If I had a good stroke, no one would beat me.
If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump is ass.
 

9Ballr

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One more thing; do you know if using this device means you have to drop
your shoulder in order to keep the cue perfectly level and not raise the butt end.
Or is it ok to only move the elbow (which raises the butt)?


Does the OP know if this is indeed the case?
 

Bob Jewett

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IMO, the two companies need to work together.

That would be good. Maybe it would result in a device/system that could both give immediate feedback and do a complete 3-D analysis of the motion of the cue. The first might be a loud beep when your cue wanders out of the vertical plane of the shot or applause if you execute without the flaw you are trying to eliminate. The second could tell you if you're hitting the ball efficiently or maybe slowing down before contact.
 

bbb

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That would be good. Maybe it would result in a device/system that could both give immediate feedback and do a complete 3-D analysis of the motion of the cue. The first might be a loud beep when your cue wanders out of the vertical plane of the shot or applause if you execute without the flaw you are trying to eliminate. The second could tell you if you're hitting the ball efficiently or maybe slowing down before contact.

i like that idea....:grin:
 

336Robin

Multiverse Operative
Silver Member
I am curious

I've studied squirt and swerve for awhile now and have my stroke about as grooved as its been in a long time and I am curious about this product.
 

336Robin

Multiverse Operative
Silver Member
The swipe

That would be good. Maybe it would result in a device/system that could both give immediate feedback and do a complete 3-D analysis of the motion of the cue. The first might be a loud beep when your cue wanders out of the vertical plane of the shot or applause if you execute without the flaw you are trying to eliminate. The second could tell you if you're hitting the ball efficiently or maybe slowing down before contact.

Absolutely,
I have to wonder how this device is going to act for a player that comes to the table addressing Center Cue Ball and then on the last stroke applies his English selection.
 

shanesinnott

Follow Through
Silver Member
Absolutely,
I have to wonder how this device is going to act for a player that comes to the table addressing Center Cue Ball and then on the last stroke applies his English selection.

Taken from the DigiCue FAQ's on our website:

Will the DigiCue be falsely triggered by the use of spin or English?

No. DigiCue measures "straightness" relative to the cue stick line, not the shot line. Therefore, if you apply back-hand-English to pivot the cue at an angle to the shot path, but stroke exactly in the direction that the cue stick is pointing, then DigiCue will not register this as a fault. This is important because many shots have spin applied to them. However, if you swoop or steer the cue to create English, then this is a fault.

The FAQ's can be found here: https://www.obcues.com/pages/DIGICUE-Billiard-Training-Aid-Frequently-Asked-Questions.html
 

dr_dave

Instructional Author
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Silver Member
Good review Freddie. I was sent a Digicue also, and I agree with your assessment. I also agree with Bob that it would be nice if the Digicue could detect a non-straight stroke (with no side-to-side motion into the ball) and any deceleration into the ball. I think that would make the device much more useful, since what happens during the stroke into the CB is much more important than what happens after the CB is already gone. It would also be nice if it could detect a jerky transition between the final back stroke and the forward stroke.

I thought the Digicue was fun to play with; but after a while I couldn't help but focus on the limitations. Like you, I thought it gave misleading results with firm english shots (even with a good stroke). I also thought it had a little trouble with firm draw shots (also with a good stroke). It makes sense that the cue vibration and motion that can occur after a firm off-center hit can lead to bad readings. I also wondered if the upward motion of the butt (after the hit) due to a pure pendulum stroke could cause a false reading. If so, it would be nice if the device could use gravity info to detect the vertical direction and only look for side-to-side motion.

Regardless, it was fun to play with. I also enjoyed fiddling with my stroke and follow-through to see what things would and would not cause bad readings.

Regards,
Dave


Hi, all. I've been asked to give a review of the Digicue. I didn't want to put it on the other Digicue review thread, as that one is for the unit being passed around. Mine is not that. Additionally, I'm giving a review in the same style as I would in my normal job (new product manufacturing/assembly development of electro-mechanical devices and automation/sensors/plastic specialist) as well as mixing in pool player/instructional thoughts.

It's long, so skip now.

Form

My Digicue set for test and review are natural (translucent “white”, no pigment) as opposed to the black ones in the picture. There are two sizes in the set. The units are made of silicone, and have de-bossed molded logo and decoration that includes a functional, tactile button when aligned with the PCBA switch.

The PCBA is mounted in a circular housing. The housing on mine looks like printed or cast, not injection molded. I think it’s printed. It’s (the housing) is not brittle, and captures the circular PCBA by snap features. I see no hotmelt. I’d like to see this potted in future revisions for moisture protection,and I’d like to see molded polypropylene if a plastic housing is still needed.

Black will look much better than my natural white version. As it is, you can’t notice the Digicue is there as the shooter, but the natural white is pretty noticeable. I’m surprised nobody out of the blue asked me what that white shmootz at the end of my cue is.

Fit

Fit of PCBA to DigiCue Bumper

It’s a bit tricky to assemble the PCBA to the Bumper as it’s a deep-well, pseudo-blind fit. The user has to align the decorative button with the PCBA switch and then push down into a blind bore that isn’t rigid. Not the end of the world, if you only plan on doing it once. Removing the PCBA is as difficult, and I wouldn’t recommend it. Maybe a removal feature is needed for battery change/check (standard Lithium button cell CR2032) or swapping from pool to carom sizes. I used a small screwdriver. Again, I'm not sure I'd advise that.

Fit to Cue

The two sizes are reported as being for pool cues and carom cues. I’ve tested the pool version (large) on two cues: (Andy) Gilbert & RAT (Ryan Theewen of Mueller). The Gilbert butt is ~1.26” dia. and the RAT is just under 1.23” dia. That’s quite a bit of difference, and it is accentuated with the Fit of the larger Digicue. It fits nice and snug on the Gilbert; it’s floppy on the RAT. On the RAT, I have to realign the fit often, as it tends to move when I put the butt end on the floor.

Additionally, I have a flat bumper on the Andy Gilbert, and I have a Tiger Extension adapter/bumper on the Ryan Theewen. So the additional bumper length gives me less butt for the Digicue to engage. I did try the smaller Digicue on the RAT cue. Just a bit too small, but I think it would work.

Removing the Digicue from the Gilbert is a not easy. You have to sort of work it off or roll it off like so many condoms. Don’t pull on the end (for either the Digicue or for condoms).

Removing the Digicue from the RAT cue is much easier, but there really is no danger of this simply falling off. The silicone surface has a lot of friction.

Function

The Digicue works as advertised,even with the additional length of the Tiger Extension bumper. Three pain levels from simple to impossible  , all accessible with a push of the functional button. I think that most players who have worked on stroke delivery and follow through will figure out what the Digicue is looking at (non-axial grip-end displacement within .XXX seconds of feeling the cueball impulse) to signal the buzzer. Most who work on stroke delivery should be able to stroke shots in the most difficult mode and not get it to buzz.

Thoughts, Notes, and Summary

Most players will find it interesting and discouraging how even on the beginner mode, the Digicue will buzz on certain shots. The Digicue needs your hands to be still for about 2 seconds after contact (I believe 0.7 seconds is the monitor time, but it seems like I need to stay dead still for a count of two). That tends to be quite a long time. Great for a teaching and practice to hone in a freeze-type follow through. But I think it’s a bit long for normal play. It also seems to be more sensitive to firm English shot. This could be simply that the transverse wave has made its way down to the grip hand, and the grip hand might move or roll well after cue ball contact, but at highest, professional setting, it goes off on me most firm English shot. We’ve video’d… no apparent motion is seen, but very slight motion is tough to see on video, so the Digicue is probably working exactly as needed.

From an instructional point perspective, because of its difficulty to switch from one cue to another, an instructor would have to willingly go through that difficulty, or have the student use the instructor’s cue. I’d rather that the student use his own cue, so maybe a easy on/off collet redesign could be evaluated. As it is, every time I take the Digicue off, I feel like I’m going to tear something. But, maybe it gets easier. Maybe as an instructor, powder is necessary (let’s pott the board!!!)

From a player point of view, it works perfectly during set, practice shots to really hone in the freeze and still hands. Playing with it on full time, it buzzes if I move my hands prior to 2 seconds or so. That’s a bit disruptive for me. And playing on a bar table, you need to move or else you’ll get hit with an object ball or cueball.

Incidentally, the bumper design of the Digicue works as a bumper should. I confess to smacking that bumper when a particular shot went awry... still works!

Overall, I think the Digicue is a fantastic idea, and that every instructor should have one or twelve. I’ve commented on what improvements I think could be made, but this released version is no prototype and works as designed. Great job Nathan and the OB team!


Freddie <~~~ needed photos
 
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KissedOut

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
That would be good. Maybe it would result in a device/system that could both give immediate feedback and do a complete 3-D analysis of the motion of the cue. The first might be a loud beep when your cue wanders out of the vertical plane of the shot or applause if you execute without the flaw you are trying to eliminate. The second could tell you if you're hitting the ball efficiently or maybe slowing down before contact.

I disagree. I like having 2 competitors pushing each other to do better. I like having 2 products to choose from with different feature sets.
 
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