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05-16-2017, 10:57 AM

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Hi bbb. I identify with you 100%. Me? I'll never be an A player and accept it. There are days I'd like to toss my cues and kiss pool goodbye. But for what? It's too much fun.
Maybe when you retire someday you can devote more time to practice and bump your level up. How I see you.... you contribute a lot to pool as an equipment buyer. You employ instructors, Your constructive input on pool forums. You introduce players to each other. You support poolrooms. You're the heart and soul of pool. It's people like you keeps pool alive. Without you there is no pool. You're an A player/person in my book. So we have bad days...but the good ones are a beautiful thing. Enjoy and do the best you can. Have fun and enjoy.
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05-16-2017, 10:59 AM

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Your more experienced peers will know within a year of a new player in the room picking up a cue, who got bit by the pool bug, if that player will ever make A level.

If you put in a 3 or 4 solid years of gambling and playing your brains out at some phase of your life, and did not make A level, you simply don't possess the eye-hand coordination to obtain it.
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05-16-2017, 11:01 AM

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I'm going through my second pool phase in life, the first one being over two decades ago in my early twenties. It didn't take long for muscle memory to kick in. My stroke improved dramatically in a short time and I found it amusing to see other players, including the league director, bewildered by my improvement (in all fairness, I told them I use to play).

However, I'm also a realist and wise enough to know that I will eventually hit a few plateaus in my journey. Along with long hours of drills and quality practice, I also train my mind to handle the emotional aspects of the game. All the drills in the world won't help, if I lack the confidence and readiness to execute what I learn.

The link posted earlier to a copy of The Little Book of Talent is a gem (thanks for that post)! As it relates to pool, I've found The Pleasures of Small Motions to be a good book. The author did a good job at connecting a few concepts of psychology with pool, but I found some of his recommendations on the game itself lacking.

Reading stories of other athletes overcoming their plateaus can be inspirational and give you that catalyst needed to breakthrough your own plateau.

I wish I knew Efren Reyes' secret to a healthy and long pool life.
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i think we all would like to be efren.....
  
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05-16-2017, 11:57 AM

I think the big difference in the level you play is focus. Most people do not know how to concentrate and get to the level of concentration and focus the pros play at. We all have the ability to make shots one at a time. Look at pro golfers, when I used to play alot I could hit streaks where I'd play 7 or 8 holes and then realize I had just played them even par, or even 1 or 2 under, then get complacent and start taking shots for granted and blow out a 78 or 80. The difference in playing well is getting in the zone and staying there, or in pool, what we call in stroke.


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05-16-2017, 05:45 PM

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I think the big difference in the level you play is focus. Most people do not know how to concentrate and get to the level of concentration and focus the pros play at. We all have the ability to make shots one at a time. Look at pro golfers, when I used to play alot I could hit streaks where I'd play 7 or 8 holes and then realize I had just played them even par, or even 1 or 2 under, then get complacent and start taking shots for granted and blow out a 78 or 80. The difference in playing well is getting in the zone and staying there, or in pool, what we call in stroke.
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05-18-2017, 02:48 AM

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Just a few more comments and suggestions Larry and then I'll be out of the Instructor Forum. I'm not an instructor and I feel uncomfortable posting here.

1. Before practice go to YouTube and spend 15min. or so watching the pro's play. I like watching Jason Shaw and SVB play mostly. Now when I watch these guys play I study their fundamentals. ( watching their feet, how they lead their body into the shot and how they stroke the cue ball (are they hitting the QB or pushing the cue thru the QB)

2. You said you play one pocket. Before going to your next match go to YouTube and watch Alex P. (spelling) or Eferen for an hour or so. Watching this will get your mind where it should be for your upcoming match.

3. You may want to add more structure to your practice routine. Back in '93 I bought Bert Kinister's VHS tape (yes VHS) 60 Minute Workout for 9 Ball and still, to this day, practice the shots daily. You will see the value of these shots and positioning of the QB when you play out in the field.

Recommended reading/viewing for One Pocket:
Scott Frost's DVD's
Tom Wirth's "A Game of Controlled Aggression"
Winning One Pocket
Shots, Moves, & Strategies
Tor Lowery's Video on Kicking
I may have missed few but these are the ones that come to mind.

Last comments. Whatever aiming system you use, just remember to let your eyes lead your body onto the shot line, not visa-versa
. Watch the pro's.
The game is all about you and your desire to be the best that you can. Never accept that you can't be an "A" player or even better. You can, you just have to put in the table time. Hard work pays off.

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05-19-2017, 08:15 AM

Just some thoughts...

I grew up playing tennis first before pool, I had a coach from China that made it to the top 100 on the tour. She told me stories about the training back in her home country that really hit home and I will remember forever.

They were chosen to be tennis players and had to put an obscene amount of practice hours on the court. She told me they often hoped it rained just so they didn't have to play, thats how tired they got.

I believe you have to put in the hard hours. Doesn't matter if you feel tired or don't want to play today "oh I played so much yesterday im tired"

NO, get your a** back on the table and put the hours in until you're satisfied with improving on something that same session! Feel burned out? Doesnt matter, you keep going and play tired until broken but improved
  
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Just some thoughts...

I grew up playing tennis first before pool, I had a coach from China that made it to the top 100 on the tour. She told me stories about the training back in her home country that really hit home and I will remember forever.

They were chosen to be tennis players and had to put an obscene amount of practice hours on the court. She told me they often hoped it rained just so they didn't have to play, thats how tired they got.

I believe you have to put in the hard hours. Doesn't matter if you feel tired or don't want to play today "oh I played so much yesterday im tired"

NO, get your a** back on the table and put the hours in until you're satisfied with improving on something that same session! Feel burned out? Doesnt matter, you keep going and play tired until broken but improved
Even if the player doesn't want to become a professional, nothing beats a good marathon session because it breaks your resistance down to where you are too tired to try to control everything in your game. That's when good things can start to happen. Fatigue isn't always a bad thing --- especially with players who tend to be too controlling or are wound too tightly.


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05-19-2017, 05:50 PM

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A question I've had in the back of my mind every since you put up this thread Larry, is just what does "just don't have it" mean to you. At our age do we really want to play at pro level? You know if we could, we would be expected to right? I'd likely be considered a C player nowadays because I just can't run balls in rotation games the way I used to, but I'm good with that. I enjoy the strategy of one pocket and I have knowledge and experience that the young guns don't have and so I can play at a level I enjoy. I mean sure, I'm still trying to learn and get better, but I can play and enjoy playing, and I expect you can also.


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05-21-2017, 08:48 AM

That's something that I taught you years ago, Larry. Focus on positive reinforcement (even when you don't hit it "perfect") to help offset set negative emotions...which are bound to happen when we play. If there's never any positive self-affirmation, then only negative energy accumulates...and at some point will cause a "meltdown" of some kind. Seems like this is a powerful issue (received from your father) in your search for a more even performance.

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05-21-2017, 05:13 PM

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Fellow struggler not a pro - 05-27-2017, 07:39 AM

I practice significantly more than you and I still find improvement very slow. Every person has their individual strengths and weaknesses. Practicing things you are naturally good at you improve faster than things that don't come easy. Math, no problem, music or foreign languages no way, physical things I am a 70%er compared to the naturals. So I have to work WAY harder than some and not so hard as others.

Scott Lee teaches there are no easy shots and no hard shots, just shots. He is right. Missing a shot we believe to be easy is often just a matter of a lack of focus because we take the shot for granted. You and I both know how to make an "easy" shot but we both still miss them. I have a playing partner who does not shoot as well as me but can focus much better. He almost never misses shots within his range. He is able to take every shot totally seriously like the world depends on it. I simply can not do that.

There is so much to it, physical co-ordination, mental attitude, ability to focus, natural talent and desire. If you enjoy the game you will get better. If you only enjoy it when you win you will either be frustrated all the time or quit.

At a state finals this season I had TWO of my team quit and go home. One never played a match. Both players only enjoy playing when they win and had such high expectations they could not even compete after a bad beat. We were in a position to win and with two forfeits still finished 6th. For my own sake I joined a team of lower skilled, less intense, players this season.

I hope you can start really playing to enjoy the game. If so I believe you will improve faster than you expect. My best to you either way.

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