Thanks for the responses. I have not tried one yet and only have 2. The guy I got them from is and older friend in his 70's that wheels and deal in a lot of cues and cases or at least used to. He thought they were Moori's but I did not want to mention that because I was looking for an unbiased answer. He has probably had them for 15-20 years.I thought I remembered the Moori having the complete name written out but then again I did not have may hands on many tips that far back