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Boom! - 05-23-2017, 12:18 PM

I'm having good success with banking using CTE but I still pick the wrong visual at times. I'm really looking forward to Stan's book to clear up my errors in the process. I'm also very curious on how combination visuals are acquired. I can't see how to set them up. Now that I'm comfortable with the 'hitting the hole' part, I'm anxious to explore the more esoteric aspects of CTE. If he wants some noise I'll give him a Tsar Bomba 50 megaton blast. Just hope my head doesn't explode when I dive into his tome.


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05-23-2017, 12:25 PM

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Wrong,
John is a friend of CTE! --A supporter for anyone that makes efforts in advancing the idea of CTE aiming.
-John got my first DVD but John also had his version of CTE that is clearly evident and dated by his online videos. John did not learn my material. He expressed that to me. He was well versed in his own methods of how he used CTE. His understanding and application of my knowledge of CTE is still on a learning burner.

I have clarified this on more than one occasion but you feel the need to keep slanting what really happened.

Stan Shuffett

Yes, I know you've spoken to this topic before.

However, what you're saying directly contradicts what John has said. After his time with you he claimed his game had improved two balls as a result -- he said he was making shots from everywhere. Two weeks later during the match, I don't know if you can hear it on the tape, but after making a couple of tough shots he crows about how great the system is. And after the match, once again I don't know if you can hear it on the tape, but Pat Fleming left the camera rolling for quite a while and John approaches me and asks if I'd spend time with you to learn your system.

So all in all, while you may feel, perhaps rightly so, that John was doing his own thing, John felt he was using what you'd taught him.

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John is a big boy. He was ready to play you again just recently. Why did you stop yourself from playing?

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Three reasons:

First, I didn't generally feel the need to subject myself to months of his abuse again. I put up with it once, won fair and square, and have nothing to prove.

Second, while I was marginally entertaining a rematch, he said his terms were "non-negotiable." While I, as the winner of our first match, would have been amenable to granting him a lot of leeway when it came to the terms of a rematch, he wouldn't budge off the non-negotiable. That was a non-starter.

Third, around the end of last year I tore the meniscus in my left knee. Had it drained and shot up but was kinda hobbled. Then I tore the meniscus in my right knee and my left was still bad. Had both knees drained and shot up just a few weeks ago. (I get bonus points for the plantar fasciitis I developed in my right foot stomping all over Europe for three weeks last summer and which still bothers me.)

I'm getting better but basically my knees are really torturing my pool shooting stance and nowadays I'm playing pretty poorly as a result. I also can't spent hours and hours walking around a table.

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I don't know John, but would be curious to know if HE blames Stan for his failings? Not knowing anything about the history here, I'd have to leave the instructor blameless here. Unless someone forced John to take CTE lessons at gun point, and then forced him to use it prematurely before he's got it locked down, he's responsible for his own actions.

No, he does not blame Stan.

I know he's big boy and all but if someone I considered a friend/supporter came to me two weeks before a big match or tournament and asked me to teach him something like a new PSR -- I'd have to tell him no, because to change something significant without sufficient time to "burn it in" is just begging for disaster.

But that's just me.

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No, he does not blame Stan.

I know he's big boy and all but if someone I considered a friend/supporter came to me two weeks before a big match or tournament and asked me to teach him something like a new PSR -- I'd have to tell him no, because to change something significant without sufficient time to "burn it in" is just begging for disaster.

But that's just me.

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Yes, that is NOT the way to go. The brain is totally on the new stuff and that overrides muscle memory. Been there, done that.


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05-25-2017, 05:43 AM

I've been watching Youtube videos trying to unlock the secret to CTE. Watched Howard Berger's videos showing 1/2 ball pivot. On a left hand cut he aligns the cue from left edge of CB to B on the OB, then he pulls back and pivots 1/2 ball over to middle CB and it goes right in. What has happened to the 1/2 ball pivot? I've watched the first DVD Pro 1 and I didn't see Stan mention it.


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I've been watching Youtube videos trying to unlock the secret to CTE. Watched Howard Berger's videos showing 1/2 ball pivot. On a left hand cut he aligns the cue from left edge of CB to B on the OB, then he pulls back and pivots 1/2 ball over to middle CB and it goes right in. What has happened to the 1/2 ball pivot? I've watched the first DVD Pro 1 and I didn't see Stan mention it.
If you want to know how Stan does it, watch Stan do it. This other guy is just doing some CTE pivot that has nothing to do with Pro 1.


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If you want to know how Stan does it, watch Stan do it. This other guy is just doing some CTE pivot that has nothing to do with Pro 1.
Crap! I finally found a pivot that I could do and it's wrong. Now, I just paused the DVD. I'm watching Stan shoot left cuts into the corner pocket. He states that he perceives left edge CB to A, CCB to right edge. Then he states he is not behind either of those lines! As he is coming down he states his eyes move to the right. How am I supposed to learn from that? If he's not behind either of the perceived lines, couldn't he state what line he is behind? Then, coming down, he states: "my eyes move to the right". Why? How much? Then, his moves into the cue ball both come in from the left even though he describes one as coming in from the right. How did anyone get this?


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Crap! I finally found a pivot that I could do and it's wrong. Now, I just paused the DVD. I'm watching Stan shoot left cuts into the corner pocket. He states that he perceives left edge CB to A, CCB to right edge. Then he states he is not behind either of those lines! As he is coming down he states his eyes move to the right. How am I supposed to learn from that? If he's not behind either of the perceived lines, couldn't he state what line he is behind? Then, coming down, he states: "my eyes move to the right". Why? How much? Then, his moves into the cue ball both come in from the left even though he describes one as coming in from the right. How did anyone get this?
In BOLD.

This is why Stan states that it's best for new learners to do the manual sweeps for a while. It's really important to not skip this exercise.

When Stan does the Pro1 sweeps he is coming down on Center Cue Ball with his cue whether it be a left sweep or a right sweep.

The cue ball is the target once you come down on cue ball center. Your eyes have lead your body to a FIXED cue ball it's only necessary then to let your eyes bring you straight down on the FIXED cue ball. Don't look for a contact point on the object ball, there isn't one.

Just don't let your eyes try to find a contact point on the object ball. It's all visual, and has been hard for an old object ball contact player like me to rap my head around. Ya, just have to run with it.

See ya in August.

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In BOLD.

This is why Stan states that it's best for new learners to do the manual sweeps for a while. It's really important to not skip this exercise.

When Stan does the Pro1 sweeps he is coming down on Center Cue Ball with his cue whether it be a left sweep or a right sweep.

The cue ball is the target once you come down on cue ball center. Don't look for a contact point on the object ball.

Just don't let your eyes try to find a contact point on the object ball. It's all visual, and has been hard for an old object ball contact player like me to rap my head around. Ya, just have to run with it.

See ya in August.

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Boy, you have your work cut out! I may be unteachable. Stan and the guys on here have me convinced there is something to it though. If I can look at the CB last and still make the OB, I'm in! Can't wait to shoot balls in the center of the pocket from behind a curtain too.


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Boy, you have your work cut out! I may be unteachable. Stan and the guys on here have me convinced there is something to it though. If I can look at the CB last and still make the OB, I'm in! Can't wait to shoot balls in the center of the pocket from behind a curtain too.
Hang in there. I've had DVD2 since first release, have watched it may times and have watch all of Stan's YouTube videos many times. It took me probably more than a year to start to catch on and I still have a lot of practicing to do before it becomes automatic.

I would like to get good enough with CTE to be able to "see and do" with out any thought.

I wish he would do a video titled "CTE for Dummies" this would help a lot of folks interested.

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05-31-2017, 06:14 PM

I learned CTE several years ago with the DVDs and learned from Stan in 2013. I swear by this aiming system and await his book.

As for the question of looking at the Cueball or Object ball last, go with your instinct. OR try both and see what feels more natural. Do not go against your grain. In my experience, very close up shots require the cue ball last--to prevent fouling. Before CTE, I always looked at the CB last. Now post CTE, I look at the CB to almost the last instant, then look at the OB go to the pocket.
  
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