Mosconi Cup Stats -- Career Records for Players on 2016 Teams

Looks like a race to 12 this year. I see 23 possible matches listed here

http://www.matchroompool.com/mosconi-cup/#fixtures

AtLarge said:

With the 2016 Mosconi Cup event coming up in 4 weeks, I thought it would be interesting again this year to examine the career Mosconi-Cup records of this year's players. The combined records for each player were compiled from individual-year match results on Wikipedia (all years there except 2014) and my own records.

Although I have not yet seen an official Matchroom announcement as to the wildcard picks for Team Europe, AzB posters have reported that they are Appleton and Ouschan. If that proves to be inaccurate, I will update this post accordingly.

Team USA will enter the event with a combined 24 years of Cup experience, compared to 21 years for Team Europe. Both teams have 2 highly experienced Cup players and 3 with no (Shaw) or limited experience.

For the following records, I counted a full win or loss for each player in each match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths or sixths for teams matches, or thirds for trebles matches, or halves for doubles matches). So these numbers essentially answer the question: "In how many winning and losing matches was each player involved?"

Team USA

• • Shane Van Boening (9 years -- 2007-2015) ..... 10-14 singles, 11-11 doubles, 4-5 teams, 25-30 total (winning percentage of 45%)
  
  • Rodney Morris (9 years -- 2003-2008, 2010, 2011, 2013) ..... 9-8 singles, 11-15 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 3-4 teams, 25-27 total (48%)
  
  • Mike Dechaine (3 years -- 2011, 2012, 2015) ..... 1-4 singles, 2-6 doubles, 2-1 teams, 5-11 total (31%)
  
  • Justin Bergman (2 years -- 2014-2015) ..... 1-4 singles, 2-2 doubles, 1-1 teams, 4-7 total (36%)
  
  • Skyler Woodward (1 year -- 2015) ..... 0-2 singles, 2-1 doubles, 1-0 teams, 3-3 total (50%)
  
  • Team USA Total ..... 21-32 singles, 28-35 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 11-11 teams, 62-78 total (44%)

Team Europe

• • Niels Feijen (11 years -- 2001, 2004-2005, 2007-2009, 2011-2015) ..... 11-8 singles, 22-9 doubles, 4-4 teams, 37-21 total (64%)
  
  • Darren Appleton (7 years -- 2009-2015) ..... 9-4 singles, 8-13 doubles, 4-3 teams, 21-20 total (51%)
  
  • Mark Gray (2 years -- 2008, 2014) ..... 0-1 singles, 2-4 doubles, 2-0 teams, 4-5 total (44%)
  
  • Albin Ouschan (1 year -- 2015) ..... 2-0 singles, 2-1 doubles, 0-1 teams, 4-2 total (67%)
  
  • Jayson Shaw (0 years -- rookie)
  
  • Team Europe Total ..... 22-13 singles, 34-27 doubles, 10-8 teams, 66-48 total (58%)

Another way of looking at the records is to count a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, a half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, a third of a point for each player in a trebles (played only in 2006) win or loss, and one-fifth of a point (one-sixth in 2006 when the teams had 6 players) for each player in a team win or loss. So the following numbers essentially answer the question: "What numerical contribution has each player made to the overall Mosconi Cup match scores?"

Team USA

• • Van Boening ..... 16.3 - 20.5 (winning percentage 44%)
  • Morris ..... 15.7 - 16.3 (49%)
  • Dechaine ..... 2.4 - 7.2 (25%)
  • Bergman ..... 2.2 - 5.2 (30%)
  • Woodward ..... 1.2 - 2.5 (32%)
  
  • Team USA Total ..... 37.8 - 51.7 (42%)

Team Europe

• • Feijen ..... 22.8 - 13.3 (63%)
  • Appleton ..... 13.8 - 11.1 (55%)
  • Gray ..... 1.4 - 3.0 (32%)
  • Ouschan ..... 3.0 - 0.7 (81%)
  • Shaw
  
  • Team Europe Total ..... 41.0 - 28.1 (59%)

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AtLarge said:

With the 2016 Mosconi Cup event coming up in 4 weeks, I thought it would be interesting again this year to examine the career Mosconi-Cup records of this year's players. The combined records for each player were compiled from individual-year match results on Wikipedia (all years there except 2014) and my own records.

Although I have not yet seen an official Matchroom announcement as to the wildcard picks for Team Europe, AzB posters have reported that they are Appleton and Ouschan. If that proves to be inaccurate, I will update this post accordingly.
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Great stuff, AtLarge. This will be good compendium for the event

2014 results are at http://www.matchroompool.com/mosconi-cup/mosconi-cup-xxi/#fixtures

Here are links to Darren and Albin announcements on official MC FB
https://www.facebook.com/mosconicup...99176270114/10154511958830115/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/mosconicup...99176270114/10154511902705115/?type=3&theater

AtLarge said:

With the 2016 Mosconi Cup event coming up in 4 weeks, I thought it would be interesting again this year to examine the career Mosconi-Cup records of this year's players. The combined records for each player were compiled from individual-year match results on Wikipedia (all years there except 2014) and my own records.

Although I have not yet seen an official Matchroom announcement as to the wildcard picks for Team Europe, AzB posters have reported that they are Appleton and Ouschan. If that proves to be inaccurate, I will update this post accordingly.

Team USA will enter the event with a combined 24 years of Cup experience, compared to 21 years for Team Europe. Both teams have 2 highly experienced Cup players and 3 with no (Shaw) or limited experience.

For the following records, I counted a full win or loss for each player in each match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths or sixths for teams matches, or thirds for trebles matches, or halves for doubles matches). So these numbers essentially answer the question: "In how many winning and losing matches was each player involved?"

Team USA

• • Shane Van Boening (9 years -- 2007-2015) ..... 10-14 singles, 11-11 doubles, 4-5 teams, 25-30 total (winning percentage of 45%)
  
  • Rodney Morris (9 years -- 2003-2008, 2010, 2011, 2013) ..... 9-8 singles, 11-15 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 3-4 teams, 25-27 total (48%)
  
  • Mike Dechaine (3 years -- 2011, 2012, 2015) ..... 1-4 singles, 2-6 doubles, 2-1 teams, 5-11 total (31%)
  
  • Justin Bergman (2 years -- 2014-2015) ..... 1-4 singles, 2-2 doubles, 1-1 teams, 4-7 total (36%)
  
  • Skyler Woodward (1 year -- 2015) ..... 0-2 singles, 2-1 doubles, 1-0 teams, 3-3 total (50%)
  
  • Team USA Total ..... 21-32 singles, 28-35 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 11-11 teams, 62-78 total (44%)

Team Europe

• • Niels Feijen (11 years -- 2001, 2004-2005, 2007-2009, 2011-2015) ..... 11-8 singles, 22-9 doubles, 4-4 teams, 37-21 total (64%)
  
  • Darren Appleton (7 years -- 2009-2015) ..... 9-4 singles, 8-13 doubles, 4-3 teams, 21-20 total (51%)
  
  • Mark Gray (2 years -- 2008, 2014) ..... 0-1 singles, 2-4 doubles, 2-0 teams, 4-5 total (44%)
  
  • Albin Ouschan (1 year -- 2015) ..... 2-0 singles, 2-1 doubles, 0-1 teams, 4-2 total (67%)
  
  • Jayson Shaw (0 years -- rookie)
  
  • Team Europe Total ..... 22-13 singles, 34-27 doubles, 10-8 teams, 66-48 total (58%)

Another way of looking at the records is to count a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, a half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, a third of a point for each player in a trebles (played only in 2006) win or loss, and one-fifth of a point (one-sixth in 2006 when the teams had 6 players) for each player in a team win or loss. So the following numbers essentially answer the question: "What numerical contribution has each player made to the overall Mosconi Cup match scores?"

Team USA

• • Van Boening ..... 16.3 - 20.5 (winning percentage 44%)
  • Morris ..... 15.7 - 16.3 (49%)
  • Dechaine ..... 2.4 - 7.2 (25%)
  • Bergman ..... 2.2 - 5.2 (30%)
  • Woodward ..... 1.2 - 2.5 (32%)
  
  • Team USA Total ..... 37.8 - 51.7 (42%)

Team Europe

• • Feijen ..... 22.8 - 13.3 (63%)
  • Appleton ..... 13.8 - 11.1 (55%)
  • Gray ..... 1.4 - 3.0 (32%)
  • Ouschan ..... 3.0 - 0.7 (81%)
  • Shaw
  
  • Team Europe Total ..... 41.0 - 28.1 (59%)

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The Europeans sure do you get lucky every time.

Crazy comparing Neils to Shane in Mosconi Cup.

This will be the first year the Mosconi Cup is played on a Rasson table instead of Diamond, correct?

AtLarge said:

Yes, they are switching to Rasson from Diamond this year. But Diamond has not always been the table supplier, maybe for just 5 years or so.

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Thanks for the info as always. Do you know who else has been the table supplier before Diamond?

AtLarge said:

No. I think I remember seeing some Gold Crowns (or look-alikes) and other brands. Perhaps going through old Cup videos would give at least a partial answer.

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I would but the quality of those videos hurt my eyes. I prefer to watch the MC when it's not recorded via toaster.

Wonderful post. As we see, not even one team member has a winning record and the 21-32 record in singles (39.6%) is shockingly bad. Unless that changes, there is no chance to in the cup.

We all understand that Shane has to find his game in the Mosconi. The fact that he went to Kuwait to play in the WPA event should help. That's three premier fields he has played against in the last month (the Steinway Classic field was nearly as strong as that of the US Open as most of the elite international players stuck around for it).

I think the guy who must step up if we are to win the cup is Dechaine, who is red hot right now. In Kuwait, he beat Shane en route to a respectable 17th place finish. At the US Open, he drew two of the guys who made Team Europe. He beat Darren Appleton 11-2 and beat Eurotour #1 Mark Gray 11-6. He also drew Eurotour #11 Mario He and beat him 11-3. In short, Dechaine has been handling the elite Europeans with ease of late. He has to keep it up.

Skyler played well a year ago, although some have likely forgotten that he lost to a double-hill kick in of the four ball by Albin Ouschan that many felt was a fluke and that he'd have been 2-1 in singles had it not gone that way. He's a year wiser after looking comfortable in his first Mosconi Cup.

Bergman is playing well right now, and his 17th place finish at the US Open included 11-9 losses to both Eurotour #3 David Alcaide and Dennis Orcullo.

Rodney found his form again after a few nondescript years, making his performance is hard to predict. No doubt, he earned his spot, and he certainly has the experience needed, but I'd suggest he played his best pool early in the year, so I'm a bit concerned.

In 2015, not one American player won two singles matches, but that must change if Team USA is to prevail. To me, SVB, Dechaine and Bergman are the most likely guys to deliver two points in singles, but will they? We shall see.

Good points.

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I think the guy who must step up if we are to win the cup is Dechaine, who is red hot right now.

Rodney found his form again after a few nondescript years, making his performance is hard to predict. No doubt, he earned his spot, and he certainly has the experience needed, but I'd suggest he played his best pool early in the year, so I'm a bit concerned.

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I think Rodney is to up and down and doesn't show enough concern to be counted on, I hope he shows up.

Dechaine is very similar in the since that he will play good if he plays good, front runner, I don't think he can dig deep if things aren't going right.

I hope we win, but I wouldn't take that bet.

King T said:

I think Rodney is to up and down and doesn't show enough concern to be counted on, I hope he shows up.

Dechaine is very similar in the since that he will play good if he plays good, front runner, I don't think he can dig deep if things aren't going right.

I hope we win, but I wouldn't take that bet.

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Gotcha. I'm not making a prediction quite yet, just contending that any win will require a breakout in singles, which starts with at least one of our guys winning two or more singles matches. SVB, Dechaine, and Bergman seem the most likely candidates for such a breakout, but we'll have to see how things develop.

Firstly, thanks so much for posting all those figures. It really was above and beyond the call of even charity, let alone duty.

Secondly, a few points I see from this data:

1. As Dechaine and Bergman go, so to will the US fortunes. The same is true for Gray and Appleton for the Euros. The cup will come down to which of these two duos performs better.

2. The one with the most to prove in this cup is Dechaine. His collapses and mental errors at the cup in previous years, while not the primary reasons USA lost, do tend to stick out. In previous cups, Dechaine has also had problems lasting the entire 4 days with his focus and concentration. Dechaine is a fixture on American soil. This is the year to show everyone he's a fixture on the big stage too.

3. While the one with the most to prove might be Dechaine, its another American who may feel the most heat. Bergman was a solid, if not completely popular choice. His connection to Wilson as a coach has opened him, if unfairly, to some criticism for ending up on the team three years in a row. There will be some pressure to perform and increase his record to a better stat line and prove he is more than just a captain's pick. However, I suspect he won't pay a bit of attention to that clamor from the armchairs.

4. The data points to what I was more worried about this year's cup for USA. Our doubles records match up fairly decently, but in singles we have a stark deficit. The singles matches are often the key to the Mosconi Cup. Many people have also said they are tired of hearing the chemistry line and this is an individual sport. Well individually, we have some tough work ahead to match up with Europe. Now is the time to show we belong. Hopefully not too many lucky rolls or flukes decide the singles matches this year.

Kris_b1104 said:

Thanks for the info as always. Do you know who else has been the table supplier before Diamond?

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1994 & 1995 ?
1996 BCE
1997 Proline
1998-2003 Brunswick GC
2004-2006 Brunswick Metro
2007-2010 Brunswick GC
2011-2015 Diamond

Hope this helps

AtLarge said:

Thanks! Was that from looking at old videos?

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Mainly from the Posters & Memory. But yes some videos for the first few years.