WPA Revises World 10-Ball Rules !

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MikeJanis

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Dear Mr. Janis


You may recall our correspondence regarding the rules for 10-Ball and I just want to update you. I mentioned that we will assess the rules in the near future, and that we have done. There have been a couple of changes made, mainly to the "called safety" shot. The new version is attached for your convenience, and it is available on our website, www.wpapool.com

Regards

Ian Anderson
WPA President


From Ten Ball Rules: http://www.wpapool.com/index.asp?content=rules_10ball


9.6 Safety
The shooter, after the break at anytime may call ?safety? which permits him to make contact with the legal object ball without pocketing a ball and end his inning. However, if the shooter pockets the legal object ball the incoming player has the option to play the shot as left, or hand it back to his opponent. (See 9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls which also applies during a safety.)


9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls
If a player misses his intended ball and pocket, and either makes the nominated ball in the wrong pocket or pockets another ball, his inning has finished and the incoming player has the option to take the shot as is, or hand it back to his opponent.


These changes are definitely great news for our sport. I am definitely pleased that the WPA and it's representatives took the initiative to assess and revise the rules to better suite the game of 10-ball.

Mj
 
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Sorry Mike, but who thinks of all this stuff. Let's have some more rules to clarify the existing ones. To me it's a joke.

There is NOTHING wrong with playing Ten Ball according to the same rules (Texas Express) that we used for 9-Ball for the last 20 years. Let the 10 ball count on the break. It's harder to make the 10 on the break than the 9 ever was. Forget about call shot. That will just confuse things. And as for that safety rule. NOT!

Of course, no one listens to me. Why should they? I might not agree with their nonsense. And they know it. They can take a good game and totally screw it up. Ten Ball is the perfect game for today's players, but by the time the WPA is done messing with the rules, they may as well be playing Straight Pool.
 
Couldn't agree more, Jay. Just watched two very good players play a long session of 10 ball "by the game". Player A made the 10 on the break three times, player B none. Oddly, player B wound up winning all three games that the 10 went on the break. At the end of the night they broke out dead even, so how big was that six game swing?

Good thing these guys aren't in charge of golf. If you made a hole-in-one you might have to re-tee and play it over.
 
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jay helfert said:
Sorry Mike, but who thinks of all this stuff. Let's have some more rules to clarify the existing ones. To me it's a joke.

There is NOTHING wrong with playing Ten Ball according to the same rules (Texas Express) that we used for 9-Ball for the last 20 years. Let the 10 ball count on the break. It's harder to make the 10 on the break than the 9 ever was. Forget about call shot. That will just confuse things. And as for that safety rule. NOT!

Of course, no one listens to me. Why should they? I might not agree with their nonsense. And they know it. They can take a good game and totally screw it up. Ten Ball is the perfect game for today's players, but by the time the WPA is done messing with the rules, they may as well be playing Straight Pool.
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What did you say ? Just kiddin with ya.......

Jay, compared to what they were before the changes it is at least a step in the right direction.

IMHO, Mj
 
For the viewer one of the most exciting things that can happen is the money ball on the break. Baseball has the home run, football has the kickoff return for a touchdown, basket ball has the slam dunk but lets not have anything for the pool crowd to get excited about.

The guys in charge will see to it that there is as little as possible exciting about watching pool on tv.

Oh and players you be sure and do your part too. Maintain no signs of excitement. Whenever you make a great shot just keep right on acting like that was a walk in the park and that you are still bored.

Pretty much don't learn anything from what any of the popular sports do that way pool can just keep on being our best kept secret.
 
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As a note: The WPA has a contact page.
It can be found here: http://www.wpapool.com/index.asp?content=contact

If you have a constructive idea about the rules please let them know what you think.

Based on the changes that were just currently made it seems they are listening to all ideas and taking them into consideration.

Who knows, maybe they are keeping a scorecard for ideas. If you think something needs changed I suggest you write the WPA a comprehensive letter describing what you feel needs changed and why.



Mj
 
MikeJanis said:
9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls
If a player misses his intended ball and pocket, and either makes the nominated ball in the wrong pocket or pockets another ball, his inning has finished and the incoming player has the option to take the shot as is, or hand it back to his opponent.


These changes are definitely great news for our sport. I am definitely pleased that the WPA and it's representatives took the initiative to assess and revise the rules to better suite the game of 10-ball.

Mj
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What if the player was shooting the 4 ball and playing to make another ball with the cue ball if he missed the 4?

Are you saying that doesn't count? Would he have to call the 4 and the other ball? and what if he made one and missed the other?

I didnt read any of the other posts so if this has been answered, Sorry for the question.
 
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What if the player was shooting the 4 ball and playing to make another ball with the cue ball if he missed the 4?

Are you saying that doesn't count? Would he have to call the 4 and the other ball? and what if he made one and missed the other?

I didnt read any of the other posts so if this has been answered, Sorry for the question.
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Josh, the WPA Ten Ball Rules are CALL SHOT.

Take a few minutes to read them http://www.wpapool.com/index.asp?content=rules_10ball

Mj
 
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Couldn't agree more, Jay. Just watched two very good players play a long session of 10 ball "by the game". Player A made the 10 on the break three times, player B none. Oddly, player B wound up winning all three games that the 10 went on the break. At the end of the night they broke out dead even, so how big was that six game swing?

Good thing these guys aren't in charge of golf. If you made a hole-in-one you might have to re-tee and play it over.
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I think with the new rules, you win if you make the 10-ball on the break:
"9.5 Call Shots & Pocketing Balls
Whenever the shooter is attempting to pocket a ball (except the break) he is required to call shots,"

IMO, these rules are great. Now we have 9-ball, with the two-way shots, flukes and so on, which in itself can be entertaining, but sometimes unfair.

Then we have 10-ball, a game where more often than in 9-ball the best player will win.

Why should 10-ball be the same as 9-ball, just one more ball. Better now, different games, the two games can co-exist instead of competing with eachother.
 
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Ten Ball Rules

Jay and I seem to disagree on everything that comes down the pike except perhaps the superiority of California Pinot Noir. He finds Asian girls to be the most attractive, I don't think they can compare to Americans. He likes fluke-em 9 and 10-Ball and I can't stand the luck factor in pro pool.

So we disagree on the new Ten Ball rules. I like them a lot. While many who observe the game just as closely as I do will say that luck does not often come into play on the pro level I seem to see it all the time, and it always comes up at critical moment that overly rewards the fluke. Watching two players fight to get to double-hill only to have one of them lose to the luck of a 9 ball falling on the break is just not right (IMO).

Grady Mathews has never allowed luck to factor into his tournaments. He has always had you spot the nine back up if it goes on the break and you always had to call the 9. And here is the deal: Only the pros (who should never need to rely on luck) need to play under these rules. Just as Grady has always altered the written rule set in his events, any tournament director who wants fluke-em rules can play their tournaments that way. The TD can make any rule changes they want to at the players meeting. The rules of 9-Ball have always said that the 1 ball is racked on the spot but we have seen it moved all over the place to remedy the tapped-in rack problems.

So, if you do not like the rules for your tournament, relax. Just change them.
 
jay helfert said:
Sorry Mike, but who thinks of all this stuff. Let's have some more rules to clarify the existing ones. To me it's a joke.

There is NOTHING wrong with playing Ten Ball according to the same rules (Texas Express) that we used for 9-Ball for the last 20 years. Let the 10 ball count on the break. It's harder to make the 10 on the break than the 9 ever was. Forget about call shot. That will just confuse things. And as for that safety rule. NOT!

Of course, no one listens to me. Why should they? I might not agree with their nonsense. And they know it. They can take a good game and totally screw it up. Ten Ball is the perfect game for today's players, but by the time the WPA is done messing with the rules, they may as well be playing Straight Pool.
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Jay, please take a few minutes to read the updated rules. They were just changed again. The safety is still there but with an option and the 10-ball counts on the break. Like I mentioned earlier, they new rules are a step in the right direction. Mj


Ten ball is a call shot game played with ten object balls numbered one through ten and the cue ball. The balls are played in ascending numerical order and the lowest numbered ball must be contacted by the cue ball in order to establish a legal hit. The player legally pocketing the ten ball wins the rack, and this can be achieved on the break shot without calling a ball. Only one ball may be called on each shot. (See 9.5 Shots Required to be Called).


9.6 Safety
The shooter, after the break at anytime may call “safety” which permits him to make contact with the legal object ball without pocketing a ball and end his inning. However, if the shooter pockets the legal object ball the incoming player has the option to play the shot as left, or hand it back to his opponent. (See 9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls which also applies during a safety.)
 
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