Playing with a phenolic tip

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eldowan

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I've played with a fair number of tips over the past few years, my own and other peoples.

Recently a few people I know have gotten a phenolic tip. These are seriously hard tips, and many people miscue like crazy when trying to use them for their intended purpose -- breaking and/or jumping.

I've always liked trying out other cues and tips, so I broke with one. Then on a curious whim, I played a game with it. Then about 10 more. I don't have a great stroke, nor am I a top shelf player. But I can put almost as much english and touch as I can on my own cues.

Why is this?
 
eldowan said:
I've played with a fair number of tips over the past few years, my own and other peoples.

Recently a few people I know have gotten a phenolic tip. These are seriously hard tips, and many people miscue like crazy when trying to use them for their intended purpose -- breaking and/or jumping.

I've always liked trying out other cues and tips, so I broke with one. Then on a curious whim, I played a game with it. Then about 10 more. I don't have a great stroke, nor am I a top shelf player. But I can put almost as much english and touch as I can on my own cues.

Why is this?
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I played a match with my sledgehammer and won. Its fun for a game or two but that was about it. I guess if you wanted to annoy the piss out of everyone you could play with it.
 
Chi2dxa said:
MAN THAT IS ONE FANTASTIC AVITAR!!! Who is she????????????
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if your talking to me its bianca beauchamp

If you talking about the chick in the shopping cart I dont have a clue.

Britney spears maybe
 
I guess that depends on how much you get out of a 'normal' tip. ;)

I play games from time to time with my break cue just for practice and yeah , you sure can get some spin with it. The reality is in most cases , if your playing smart , you don't need nearly as much spin as many people think you do to get around the table.

That being said , your not going to get to the same max spin potential with Pheno as with a typical tip , and not without a much greater risk of miscue.
 
eldowan said:
I've played with a fair number of tips over the past few years, my own and other peoples.

Recently a few people I know have gotten a phenolic tip. These are seriously hard tips, and many people miscue like crazy when trying to use them for their intended purpose -- breaking and/or jumping.

I've always liked trying out other cues and tips, so I broke with one. Then on a curious whim, I played a game with it. Then about 10 more. I don't have a great stroke, nor am I a top shelf player. But I can put almost as much english and touch as I can on my own cues.

Why is this?
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I use a red circle cue ball at home and when breaking I align the circle so that it is my target point on the cueball. I've been doing this for a long time to try and see where I'm actually striking it on my break shot. I've filled in one half of the red circle with a sharpie so I know by looking at the chalk mark where the cue ball was struck.

Here's the interesting conclusion. I tend to strike the cue ball above center. Additionally, my cue ball has numerous (6 or 7) half circular cracks on its surface. Kind of shaped like this (. They are all the same shape and size, about 2 mm. These crack are only in the vicinity of the red circle. It must be from the phenolic tip.
 
Klopek said:
The spin you get has little to do with how hard or soft your tip is. It's about how good you stroke through the cue ball. I know a lot of people argue hard tips get more spin, and others cay softer. Too much emphasis is placed on tips and not enough on the stroke IMHO. I've learned this the hard way.

As for miscuing, some players are afraid of miscuing when using phenolic tips and so they tense up causing a poor stroke and a miscue.:) If you're relaxed and loose you can play with a phenolci tipped cue as well as any. Except for masse. ;)
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What you say about the stroke is weird then (for me at least). I don't have a good stroke. I usually poke more than stroke, but I think I tend to relax more and stroke more fluidly with the phenolic than with a regular cue.

RRfireblade said:
I guess that depends on how much you get out of a 'normal' tip. ;)

I play games from time to time with my break cue just for practice and yeah , you sure can get some spin with it. The reality is in most cases , if your playing smart , you don't need nearly as much spin as many people think you do to get around the table.

That being said , your not going to get to the same max spin potential with Pheno as with a typical tip , and not without a much greater risk of miscue.
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I usually place the cueball 1/2 diamond off the rail, in front of the diamond next to the side pocket on the head side of the table. Aiming at the diamond directly across the table I put left spin on it, and see how far I can throw the cue. I can usually make it between the first diamond and the pocket, and once in a while actually make it to the first diamond on the short rail, next to the bottom pocket.

Using a phenolic tip, or any of the regular tips seem to get around the same results. I figure this helps me with my speed as I tend to hit too hard, and a hard hit will kill the action off the rail.
 
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