Mike Sigel forfeit in World 14-1 - Matchtime changed from 1 to 11...

Roy Steffensen

Roy Steffensen

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Mike Sigel forfeited his match in the World 14-1 Championship today, against Danny Harriman.

This is from the other thread with updates from the tournament:
dmgwalsh said:
Sigel came into the tournament a couple minutes before 11 wearing shorts and a baseball cap with a cup of coffe in his hand. Started yelling from the doorway over to the tournament director that he had looked at the schedule and it had him down for 1:00 p.m. and this was bullshit.

Schmidt said he thought it was a 1:00 match for Sigel when he had looked at it earlier, too.

Sigel just left and didn't come back.

About 1:15 they announced the forfeit.
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Would be great to get this story confirmed?

Did Mike Sigel slap Charlie Williams after the change of time?
 
That would have been a great match to sweat! This story doesn't sound right though.
 
oh my...

Roy Steffensen said:
Mike Sigel forfeited his match in the World 14-1 Championship today, against Danny Harriman.

This is from the other thread with updates from the tournament:


Would be great to get this story confirmed?

Did Mike Sigel slap Charlie Williams after the change of time?
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Here we go again.... "White-Out-Gate Part Deux"
 
That freaking blows. I don't think I have heard any other tournaments where times get changed like this except with Dragon Promotions. It is an embarrassment. I hope Charlie is proud of what he put together.
 
My question

Roy Steffensen said:
Mike Sigel forfeited his match in the World 14-1 Championship today, against Danny Harriman.

This is from the other thread with updates from the tournament:


Would be great to get this story confirmed?

Did Mike Sigel slap Charlie Williams after the change of time?
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If Mike's match was indeed changed from 1:00 to 11:00 why was the forfeit givin at 1:15 rather than at 11:15 as dmgwalsh has stated?

Who can give a clear and accurate story as to what really happened at this tournament.

Thanks

Kevin
 
Mike was playing so well, and I know Danny was looking forward to playing against Mike.

This sucks.
 
Kevin Lindstrom said:
If Mike's match was indeed changed from 1:00 to 11:00 why was the forfeit givin at 1:15 rather than at 11:15 as dmg has stated?

Who can give a clear and accurate story as to what really happened at this tournament.

Thanks

Kevin
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I was just quoting dmgwalsh, who posted the story in another thread. I guess the forfeit happened at 11:15, and that dmgwalsh just did a "Fatboy". (Typing error)
 
Isn't Danny the guy that knocked Mike out two years ago? I know he wanted revenge. I am bummed.

Blackjack, Mike told me he was moving to LA. I hope he does well out there.
 
Roy Steffensen said:
Mike Sigel forfeited his match in the World 14-1 Championship today, against Danny Harriman.

This is from the other thread with updates from the tournament:


Would be great to get this story confirmed?

Did Mike Sigel slap Charlie Williams after the change of time?
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Didn't CW just do that recently to Corey Duel lol ?
 
metallicane said:
Isn't Danny the guy that knocked Mike out two years ago? I know he wanted revenge. I am bummed.

Blackjack, Mike told me he was moving to LA. I hope he does well out there.
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In 2006, Danny was able to win that match against Mike - it was a very emotional win for Danny - definitely one of the highlights of his career.

Mike is moving?

I haven't seen him around here in months.

FWIW, Orlando is losing Captain Hook, but we are getting the Breedloves (in the not so distant future).

BTW, I give Mike 1 month in the L.A. traffic before he decides to move somewhere else.

:killingme:
 
You know, there is a simple way to avoid this type of thing.

There should be a TD desk where players go talk to someone in charge and sign for their next match time.

There, they would get a numbered card issued to them with their match and time for the following day that they would have to sign for, as well as a signature from the TD on the card, as well as a signature going into a book from the player and the TD that corresponds to the card # so that there is no chance that a change can take place without the player knowing.

If the time was changed, it has to be logged.
If they change the time, but there is no signature on the log book from a player saying they did in fact find out the new time, the forfeit is moot.

Or some system similar to this that safeguards the players.

It's kind of ridiculous when you have this type of issue in the first place and blame cannot be assigned.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
You know, there is a simple way to avoid this type of thing.

There should be a TD desk where players go talk to someone in charge and sign for their next match time.

There, they would get a numbered card issued to them with their match and time for the following day that they would have to sign for, as well as a signature from the TD on the card, as well as a signature going into a book from the player and the TD that corresponds to the card # so that there is no chance that a change can take place without the player knowing.

If the time was changed, it has to be logged.
If they change the time, but there is no signature on the log book from a player saying they did in fact find out the new time, the forfeit is moot.

Or some system similar to this that safeguards the players.

It's kind of ridiculous when you have this type of issue in the first place and blame cannot be assigned.
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I agree with your plan but we don't know for sure (in this case) that there was a time change for the match. One player was there to play at 11 and the other thought it was 1. I am waiting to hopefully hear the full story of what really happened. I am very hesitant to assume that the match time was changed at this time.

BVal
 
BVal said:
I agree with your plan but we don't know for sure (in this case) that there was a time change for the match. One player was there to play at 11 and the other thought it was 1. I am waiting to hopefully hear the full story of what really happened. I am very hesitant to assume that the match time was changed at this time.

BVal
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Right, but if they instituted a plan of this nature. You wouldn't have confusion in the first place and punishment could be issued (forfeits) without the cry of foul play.

It safeguards everyone.
No one can bi.tch at anything but themselves if they get a match time wrong.

EDIT: It would stop corruption if there is any, and stop players from blaming their mistakes (assuming that there is no corruption) on others.
 
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SUPERSTAR said:
Right, but if they instituted a plan of this nature. You wouldn't have confusion in the first place and punishment could be issued (forfeits) without the cry of foul play.

It safeguards everyone.
No one can bi.tch at anything but themselves if they get a match time wrong.
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You are correct and that is why I agree with your plan :)

BVal
 
Why keep Blaming CW

CW may be part of the promotion of this tournament, but I doubt he is the Tournament Director...

Dragon Promotions list Martin Remlinger as the TD and Scott Smith as TD and MC.

CW is not listed as a TD.

Let's make sure that CW is excluded (same thing in Florida) from the blame of running this tournament.

Dragon Promotions should get a TD that does not make changes to start times or is able to make sure that if any changes are made, all parties are notified properly.

It is not who is to blame.. it is HOW can this problem be eliminated in the future?
 
I agree with superstar, it is a good way to level the playing field to the benefit of the players and management. BVal is right to exercise caution in this matter as well. As time goes on things will come into line and when you go to different places in this country, the rules will be the same from room to room. Fast Lenny streams a lot of matches and TAR does as well. I am sure that this will catch on and many others will stream from their rooms as well. That is when the rules will become more uniform and players won't have to worry about it and can focus on play. IMO

Dwight
 
Superstar,

That is a very good plan, but I think it would be overkill.

Think about it. Tournaments happen all the time, all over the world and you just don't hear about this kind of thing happening. Your system would fix the problem, but it really should not be needed.

I have a couple of friends there who were planning on watching that match at 1:00, only to find out that it had been moved. They were in the room, and did not know about the change until Mike got upset.

If a TD Changes the times of a match it should only be after he has spoken with both affected players. Period! If he can't reach the players, then he should not change the time. Period!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
Match times

Just a lil bump to keep on top. I would like to hear the real story from someone who is there. Please post what is going on. This match time "changing" is getting kind of weird.
 
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