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Kress router or Unique Product?s Quiet Router - 09-23-2008, 11:15 AM

I have a taper shaper from Unique which I have really grown to like. But I'm going through/reworking routers a little too often for my taste. Aside from stepping up to a one of those high dollar machines, which do you think is the better buy. I would think the Quiet Router would have been the way to go but at $1500 vs. about $500 for the Kress ? I need to know just what am I paying for
  
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09-23-2008, 11:47 AM

Why are you going through so many routers? I am still using the same DeWalt laminate trimmers I have had for years, even have & use old Ryobi routers I have had for around 10 years. I have not smoked a single router yet. My shaft cutting router must have 20,000 shaft cuts by now & shows no sign of wear or required maintenance. I often read where people experience frequent router failure, but cannot relate. I'm wondering if it's the way they are used or what?

One thing I did somewhat recently was began running my laminate trimmers on a 90vdc variable speed converter instead of just plugging them into a socket & using whatever raw juice the power company is pushing. I began doing this so I could refine the power & accurately tune it, as well as control the speed for when I want to use routers equipped with wing cutters & such. What I realized is it tremenmdously cleaned up the power to a consistent & smooth flow so the routers run much smoother & actually seem to run faster & stronger. I wired in a plug receptacle so I can plug in any router & run it, just like plugging it into the wall but with infinitely controllable power. So far i'm loving it. The routers seem quieter, smoother, faster & best of all I can control the speed to get max RPM just before the point of vibration. My intention in the first place was to save bearing life by reducing vibration, but I got much more than that, which is good.

Anyway, my point is I can't really relate with going through routers. But I have experienced a neat way of controlling the routers & giving them refined power, which I think will extend their life beyond normal wall socket juice. You might try something similar before dumping a lot of money into expensive routers. I use $100 routers I pick up at Lowes, and have great success with them. I'm not saying at all that finer routers wouldn't be better. I'm sure they would. But I have used cheap routers with success for a long time & no failures as of yet. I also get as smooth of cuts as I have seen anywhere. Just a thought.


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09-23-2008, 11:50 AM

The Unique's quiet router's bearing would most likely last longer b/c you can't abuse it as much. The belt slips if you hog out too much. It's an NSK bearing so it's da nuts.
Kress is the best slim router though.


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09-23-2008, 01:05 PM

I have a kress and it's a great router, but I use the Unique quiet router on the taper shaper because it's soooooo quiet.
  
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09-23-2008, 01:36 PM

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Why are you going through so many routers? I am still using the same DeWalt laminate trimmers I have had for years, even have & use old Ryobi routers I have had for around 10 years. I have not smoked a single router yet. My shaft cutting router must have 20,000 shaft cuts by now & shows no sign of wear or required maintenance. I often read where people experience frequent router failure, but cannot relate. I'm wondering if it's the way they are used or what?

One thing I did somewhat recently was began running my laminate trimmers on a 90vdc variable speed converter instead of just plugging them into a socket & using whatever raw juice the power company is pushing. I began doing this so I could refine the power & accurately tune it, as well as control the speed for when I want to use routers equipped with wing cutters & such. What I realized is it tremenmdously cleaned up the power to a consistent & smooth flow so the routers run much smoother & actually seem to run faster & stronger. I wired in a plug receptacle so I can plug in any router & run it, just like plugging it into the wall but with infinitely controllable power. So far i'm loving it. The routers seem quieter, smoother, faster & best of all I can control the speed to get max RPM just before the point of vibration. My intention in the first place was to save bearing life by reducing vibration, but I got much more than that, which is good.

Anyway, my point is I can't really relate with going through routers. But I have experienced a neat way of controlling the routers & giving them refined power, which I think will extend their life beyond normal wall socket juice. You might try something similar before dumping a lot of money into expensive routers. I use $100 routers I pick up at Lowes, and have great success with them. I'm not saying at all that finer routers wouldn't be better. I'm sure they would. But I have used cheap routers with success for a long time & no failures as of yet. I also get as smooth of cuts as I have seen anywhere. Just a thought.
I've gone through a number of P/C laminate trimmers, myself. I used to use them on my CNC for inlays. My CNC probably averaged running 4 hrs. a day 7 days a week. They would last about 6 months and the brushes would be shot. Change brushes and they would last about 4 months, change again and they would only last a short time as the commuters on the armature would be wore down so far that the brushes would start chipping and breaking. I used to always keep at least one spare as I usually work at night so I couldn't just go pick up another. I've completely wore out 2 of them and have replaced brushes in three of the four that I have at present. At present I use one with a small saw blade on my ring cutting lathe, another, with a wing cutter, on my butt tapering lathe, one with a 60 deg V cutter and another with a router bit. Most of the router motors I have used have been Craftsman which aren't real high quality but I've had them throw a copper commuter destroying one, a bearing go out of another and collets wear causing the bits to slip and no longer run true. Not sure exactly why they would wear as there should not be any slippage when made tight but they did.

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Routers - 09-23-2008, 03:21 PM

Has anyone ever used a Festool Laminate router? I looked at the specs at a shop here in CA and the tolerances are awesome and there are local distributors.


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09-23-2008, 03:33 PM

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Why are you going through so many routers? I am still using the same DeWalt laminate trimmers I have had for years, even have & use old Ryobi routers I have had for around 10 years. I have not smoked a single router yet. My shaft cutting router must have 20,000 shaft cuts by now & shows no sign of wear or required maintenance. I often read where people experience frequent router failure, but cannot relate. I'm wondering if it's the way they are used or what?

One thing I did somewhat recently was began running my laminate trimmers on a 90vdc variable speed converter instead of just plugging them into a socket & using whatever raw juice the power company is pushing. I began doing this so I could refine the power & accurately tune it, as well as control the speed for when I want to use routers equipped with wing cutters & such. What I realized is it tremenmdously cleaned up the power to a consistent & smooth flow so the routers run much smoother & actually seem to run faster & stronger. I wired in a plug receptacle so I can plug in any router & run it, just like plugging it into the wall but with infinitely controllable power. So far i'm loving it. The routers seem quieter, smoother, faster & best of all I can control the speed to get max RPM just before the point of vibration. My intention in the first place was to save bearing life by reducing vibration, but I got much more than that, which is good.

Anyway, my point is I can't really relate with going through routers. But I have experienced a neat way of controlling the routers & giving them refined power, which I think will extend their life beyond normal wall socket juice. You might try something similar before dumping a lot of money into expensive routers. I use $100 routers I pick up at Lowes, and have great success with them. I'm not saying at all that finer routers wouldn't be better. I'm sure they would. But I have used cheap routers with success for a long time & no failures as of yet. I also get as smooth of cuts as I have seen anywhere. Just a thought.
I gotta say you've been pretty darn lucky then. I used to go through PC lam routers like a kid with 50 bucks to blow in candy store.
Brushes...always had 3 extra pair on hand...bearings...a couple extra sets..
seemed I was always working on them. When I switched over to kress routers, I've sent one back for warranty replacement in 4 years and still haven't changed brushes in any of them yet. I opened one up and noticed I was getting close so I have to order some and have them on hand for when the day comes. I think I'll probably order one of the electronic plug in's just to have one on hand since they're out of warranty now.....that's what I sent the other one back for.
They all run days ahead of the other lam routers I've tried.

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Wow, I never knew laminate trimmers were such trouble!!!! Now you guys are gonna jinx me BASTARDS!!!!! Seriously, I have been using the same DeWalt router since 01' & have done nothing to it except change cutter bits. I trust them so much I bought a couple more & equipped them with different bits, then made universal quick release mounts for my machines so I can change routers instead of bits for different tasks. Maybe I have been lucky....I hope it keeps that way.


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09-23-2008, 06:17 PM

I have 3 kress router , 2 are 110v and 1 is 220v
quiet router I also have it...

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Wow, I never knew laminate trimmers were such trouble!!!! Now you guys are gonna jinx me BASTARDS!!!!! Seriously, I have been using the same DeWalt router since 01' & have done nothing to it except change cutter bits. I trust them so much I bought a couple more & equipped them with different bits, then made universal quick release mounts for my machines so I can change routers instead of bits for different tasks. Maybe I have been lucky....I hope it keeps that way.

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09-24-2008, 08:41 AM

Thanks everybody for the feed back I'm going to go with the Kress. I guess with all of the money I just saved I can buy everybody a BEER!
  
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Now dang it, you just keep your yapper shut. I got my own little world & things on planet Eric are just fine. I don't need a Dave ateroid dropping a giant $hit here & stinking the place up
you mentioned 500.00 for the kress which is right from thecno plus the collects and shipping i have them for 350.00 with 2 collects i will have another shipment in a few weeks.lee
  
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quiet router setup - 09-25-2008, 01:11 PM

I have recently made the transition to quit router set up. I would advise you to go this route because you have many more options, if you are a do it your selfer. If a Kress goes bad its going to be Approx $500 bucks each time. I dont for see many issues with the quiet router set up. There are however many different motors and controllers to choose from if something does go wrong. The NSK Spindal is a very nice spindal. I am actually making one for my metal lathe as we speak. My tapershaper has an enclouser which quiets the anitial blase of any router but with the addition of a quiet router it is very smooth. Also, I have no problems with belt slipage under normal working conditions. I suppose I could make it slip if I wanted, but then again I could also burn up the motor if I wanted. It is a product worth looking into. About a year a go someone told be about problems with belt slipage and because of this I didnt get one. I have one now and realy, realy like it.
  
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I have recently made the transition to quit router set up. I would advise you to go this route because you have many more options, if you are a do it your selfer. If a Kress goes bad its going to be Approx $500 bucks each time. I dont for see many issues with the quiet router set up. There are however many different motors and controllers to choose from if something does go wrong. The NSK Spindal is a very nice spindal. I am actually making one for my metal lathe as we speak. My tapershaper has an enclouser which quiets the anitial blase of any router but with the addition of a quiet router it is very smooth. Also, I have no problems with belt slipage under normal working conditions. I suppose I could make it slip if I wanted, but then again I could also burn up the motor if I wanted. It is a product worth looking into. About a year a go someone told be about problems with belt slipage and because of this I didnt get one. I have one now and realy, realy like it.
What are you basing this on?
I have less than $300 each for my Kress routers and can replace the brushes for approx $15 per router. The electronic controller in them are less then $50 each and that is the main brain of the router. Only other thing is the bearings and I can do those pretty inexpensive also.
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