My taste of humble pie

jay helfert

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Yes, I just got a dose of it yesterday. A little hard to swallow when you realize you have erred, but it happens to all of us from time to time. Especially someone like me who is quick to offer his opinion on everything and anything pool.

Yes, I have been around a while and done many things with our sport, but I am not too old to learn, and still do make mistakes from time to time. The hard part is to swallow your pride and admit them.

This "humble pie" was first served to me this week when I discovered that I didn't know everything about racking the balls. And yes, there may be a better way. I know that I can put a tight rack up there using a good triangle, but that may not be the answer for all referees. And it may not be the best way to run a large tournament like the World Ten Ball. This was my first taste of pie this week.

I have also been quick to offer criticism to the WPA when I feel that they are off track somewhere. Most recently my citicism included remarks about their list of past "World Champions". I was offended that they did not include the old time champions before the WPA came into existence.

I also have wondered out loud about what I considered to be exorbitant sanction fees, and their version of the rules. I have since come to learn that they are not the ones who created these rules. In fact, many of the contributors have come from our shores. I may not agree with all their rules, but I do agree that a standardized set of world rules is a good thing. Maybe the fact that I have never been privy to this discussion of the rules bothered me more than a little as well. When I see people who are relatively new to the game deciding what is best for our sport, it can also rub me the wrong way.

As far as sanction fees go, I now have learned that the costs of maintaining the WPA and paying the necessary expenses involved in its maintenance can be prohibitive. No one is making money here. At this point in time, I would only ask to see the "mission statement" of the WPA and what they hope to achieve. I do believe that having a world wide sanctioning body is good for our sport. The recognition of major events and what constitutes a World Championship is a fundamental underpining for any sport. Who makes this determination and how it is made must also be transparent.

And finally I wish to apologize publicly to Yen Makebenta and Ian Anderson for statements I made in regard to the choosing of commentators for the WTBC. Due to my past criticisms (see above) of the WPA, they felt it was not in their best interest to have me in the booth for this event. I was not too happy when I learned about this decision, and said so publicly online. And I did so in a derogatory manner. If Ian were a member of this forum, I would have been banned and rightly so. In this equation I was the "small" man. In hindsight I realize they have the right to choose anyone they want for their shows. Just as I do if it is my production. Any problem I have with this decision belonged in private, not in public.

That's it, I've had my taste of humble pie this week. Hopefully, I'll remember what it tasted like in the future.
 
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jay helfert said:
Yes, I just got a dose of it yesterday. A little hard to swallow when you realize you have erred, but it happens to all of us from time to time. Especailly someone like me who is quick to offer his opinion on everything and anything pool.

Yes, I have been around a while and done many things with our sport, but I am not tool old to learn, and still make mistakes from time to time. The hard part is to swallow your pride4 and admit them.
Know how you feel jay, as old as i am you would think i know it all]ha] but learn somthing most every day, thanks to all my grandchildren!!! but lets keep plugging!!!:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
jay helfert said:
Yes, I just got a dose of it yesterday. A little hard to swallow when you realize you have erred, but it happens to all of us from time to time. Especailly someone like me who is quick to offer his opinion on everything and anything pool.

Yes, I have been around a while and done many things with our sport, but I am not too old to learn, and still do make mistakes from time to time. The hard part is to swallow your pride and admit them.

This "humble pie" was first served to me this week when I discovered that I didn't know everything about racking the balls. And yes, there may be a better way. I know that I can put a tight rack up there using a good triangle, but that may not be the answer for all referees. And it may not be the best way to run a large tournament like the World Ten Ball. This was my first taste of pie this week.

I have also been quick to offer criticism to the WPA when I feel that they are off track somewhere. Most recently my citicism included remarks about their list of past "World Champions". I was offended that they did not include the old time champions before the WPA came into existence.

I also have wondered out loud about what I considered to be exorbitant sanction fees, and their version of the rules. I have since come to learn that they are not the ones who created these rules. In fact, many of the contributors have come from our shores. I may not agree with their rules, but I do agree that a standardized set of world rules is a good thing. Maybe the fact that I have never been privy to this discussion of the rules bothered me more than a little as well. When I see people who are relatively new to the game deciding what is best for our sport, it can also rub me the wrong way.

As far as sanction fees go, I now have learned that the costs of maintaining the WPA and paying the necessary expenses involved in its maintenance can be prohibitive. No one is making money here. At this point in time, I would only ask to see the "mission statement" of the WPA and what they hope to achieve. I do believe that having a world wide sanctioning body is good for our sport. The recognition of major events and what constitutes a World Championship is a fundamental underpining for any sport. Who makes this determination and how it is made must also be transparent.

And finally I wish to apologize publicly to Yen Makebenta and Ian Anderson for statements I made in regard to the choosing of commentators for the WTBC. Due to my past criticisms (see above) of the WPA, they felt it was not in their best interest to have me in the booth for this event. I was not too happy when I learned about this decision, and said so publicly online. And I did so in a derogatory manner. If Ian were a member of this forum, I would have been banned and rightly so. In this equation I was the "small" man. In hindsight I realize they have the right to choose anyone they want for their shows. Just as I do if it is my production. Any problem I have with this decision belonged in private, not in public.

That's it, I've had my taste of humble pie this week. Hopefully, I'll remember what it tasted like in the future.

Jay,

You stood up to what was the popular belief and took your lumps and then came here and let us know what is really going on. You are a stand up guy and I respect you for that and the knowlege and love you have for this sport. I look forward to when you come home and let us know the inside scoop on what we can do to make things better for all of us.

Thanks for being there...

Dwight
 
jay helfert said:
Yes, I just got a dose of it yesterday.........
That's it, I've had my taste of humble pie this week. Hopefully, I'll remember what it tasted like in the future.

JH,
I guess we can all agree that there are no perfect systems out there (especially in the pool world).

Remember what Winston Churchill said about democracy, "it's the worst form of government there is.....except for all the others."

If you can name any world governing body in any sport or endeavor that does not contend with allegations of impropriety, I would be surprised. Have a great trip, and thanks for the reports.
 
Rep to you!!!!!!!!!

The respect I have for you is very warranted, and you proved it again Jay.:smile: Kudos to you!!!!!! Takes a very big person to admit what you did on a public website. You will always have my respect. :smile:
 
Fatboy said:
The moment of pain is the momnent of growth, therefore I like the moment of pain because I desire personal growth,



WOW! Is that really you fatboy???

You're getting better with your spelling Eric! Except for the highlighted word!
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Great quote btw fatboy!
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And for you Jay, you just showed how big of a man you are, by admitting all those you have said and didn't mind eating
crow publicly! My take on you Jay has changed, you're a thousand times better than what the other people say about you!

Just keep on punching out there and may your tribe increase!

Now, how about those "Bunny" updates you've promised?
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Fatboy said:
The moment of pain is the momnent of growth, therefore I like the moment of pain because I desire personal growth,

Or, "No pain, no gain" and you were definitely feeling the burn. We have all had to eat crow at some point so don't sweat it. Everyone knows you are honorable so keep up the good work and find your inner peace again. :p
 
You are a stand up guy, and a man to admit the mistake. We are human, and we all make them. I always reserve the right to be wrong.

Joe
 
"With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity." Courageous post Jay.
It is not my quote but it seemed appropriate. Just when I think you can't get any better Jay you do.
 
Stand Up!

Jay,
To be able to stand up straight requires a spine...:thumbup:
To be able to admit mistakes just makes a man's word that much more creditable going forward. Your future posts carry just that much more weight.
Great post and "please" keep expressing your take on things. I am sure that many others beside myself look forward to your opinion.
Tommy
 
Live, Learn, Move On.......Thanks Jay. You just made us all a little better.....SPF=randyg
 
Doesn't this little ole forum span some distance, eh? I guess your post(s) was "the shot heard 'round the world"! I hope your genuine apology is well accepted and mends the fences. I assume you did so face to face as well. Sounds like you really frosted some buns. Oh well, way to man up Jay.

Hopefully this is a piece of the puzzle going towards a more united sport! As always, thanks for the insight. :smile:
 
If everyone around here was humble all the time it sure would get boring. But it does bite us on the butt sometimes :D

btw: Jay, if that Chuck guy was a replacement for you then they've really made a big mistake. He's been insulting the players and he's got no idea about pool, but that never stops him from giving know-it-all opinions, including telling the players what shots they should have played.

Wish we could get Bob Guerro's (sp?) and Jerry's commentary.

Colin
 
great post by one of the classiest guys around. I too will make a post like this if I am ever wrong about anything. :grin:
 
corvette1340 said:
great post by one of the classiest guys around. I too will make a post like this if I am ever wrong about anything. :grin:
Come on man, like that could happen. That's like saying "If the sun doesnt come up tommorow........"


:D


On a note that is related to the original thread: They used your name on overlay tonight Jay when they identified the commentators. It was during the Appleton match. It said "The Voices of : Jay Helfert and Anthony Something or other" I had the sound on mute because of how sickening the two guys were and when I saw your name I put it back on only to find that I was pump faked by the director. Pretty silly to have you available and go with the crew they did. Actually its not silly, it is dumb as hell.
 
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