What pin do you perfer? (out of these choices)
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Radial is my first pick then 3/8x10 with an Ivory joint !
Of the components that make up a cue, particularly the joint, how much does the screw affect the feel of the cue as a whole?
If you had the several of the same cue with each one having a different screw, how many people would be able to identify which was which or even if there was any difference?
If you had the several of the same cue with each one having a different screw, how many people would be able to identify which was which or even if there was any difference?
ronhudson said:
I'm not sure how many people could tell. I personally like the radial or the 3/8 11 over the 3/8 10 because i like the long lasting tight feel of the first to i spoke about. To me, the no matter how tight at first a 3/8 10 starts it seems to get some play in it. I'm not saying it has anything to do how it plays.
I'm just asking to see what other think when it comes to these large pins.
thanks,
ronhudson said:
Royce from OB-1 told me about an experiment he did. I'm not certain on the exact details but it went something like this.... (Maybe Royce will read this and elaborate)
He built 4 cues EXACTLY alike except different joints. 5/16x14, 3/8x10, radial, etc...
He then taped over the joints and took them to the local pool halls in Dallas, TX. Dallas has a huge pool scene with a ton of top notch players. He passed the cues around asked people to try to guess the joint type.
According to Royce, they couldn't even pick out the cue with the same joint as their personal cue. No one could tell the difference.
If you believe this experiment, it shows that the joint pin has little to do with how a cue plays.
There aren't a ton of people doing "scientific" experiments about cues. Personally, I liked this one.
my $.02,
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I don't think they are the same:grin-square: , but there aren't any other choice at the poll....
I prefer 5/14*18, as on my Bear
. Piloted, SS.
I prefer 5/14*18, as on my Bear
. Piloted, SS.Great post. I'd have to say that you might be able to tell a 5/16x18 pin from a 3/8x10, but even that is subject to discussion. Most important part of pin is weight and its impact on balance point. Instead of worrying about pin, the diameter of the joint and the shaft taper should be the subjects. Royce told me at the APA finals that once you thread the shaft on, loose or tight, they all do the same. Sounds reasonable.matta said:
tim
I like this experiment and I agree that the average player can't tell the difference. I think maybe on certain cues that a player may notice a difference, but on the average I doubt that most people could tell the difference. I can't tell the difference on my cues and I have cues with 5/16x14 SS joints and one with a radial wood to wood joint and they hit the same to me (I use predator shafts on the cues).matta said:
James
Imo with Pred and OB1 shafts, the pins do not matter.SCCues said:
After all those shafts are hollowed and flex a lot at the front.
They also have very dull tone.
IIRC, there was a blind test of pins, perhaps joints too, and it proved impossible to tell the difference.
IMO, in order for any material to be succceasaful as a pin, it would have certain properties, strength/ hardness, etc., that would be similar. Therefore ,no perceptable difference in hit between them.
The biggest difference, I believe, would be the weights of the various materials and the inmpact they would have on balance of a given stick.
IMO, in order for any material to be succceasaful as a pin, it would have certain properties, strength/ hardness, etc., that would be similar. Therefore ,no perceptable difference in hit between them.
The biggest difference, I believe, would be the weights of the various materials and the inmpact they would have on balance of a given stick.
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masonh said:
I might like that new 3/8-10 too if it were here for me to try out. :grin: :wink: :wink: :grin:
I have always liked the 3/8-11 alot. Never played with a radial that I liked, but I am sure they are out there. Some people claim that if a cue is built right, you shouldn't be able to tell the difference.
I dissagree, but who knows
masonh said:
Why? what's the difference between the old and new 3/8-10 pins?
matta said:
i wouldn't say that. i have a cue with a 5/16-14 pin (mezz)that plays different than a schon. they more or less have the same joint type but the play is different.
poolplayer2093 said:
I'm certainly not saying two cues with the same joint will play the same. I'm saying two cues with the same taper and balance points but with DIFFERENT joints will play the similar.
The shaft taper has a TON to do with how a cue plays. I'll bet if you take your schon shaft and swap it between the two cues, you will find they play similar. The shafts most likely have different tapers though. That's the difference you are feeling, not the joint.
There are other factors that affect the play too. I personally feel the shaft taper has the majority of control over how the cue will play.
