Abe Rich stories or cues?

ELBeau

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I started a thread with an interview of Abe Rich under the Main Forum- it is fun to hear him speak of his past and his cues. He was a very humble man.

I was hoping some cuemakers would have story or two to add to the thread in the main forum- perhaps even photos of some of his cues.
The link is http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1622236#post1622236

I'm posting the link here because I didn't want the cuemakers to miss it.

Thanks for your time,

~Beau
 
A few years ago I bought a cue from Abe that he built in the 70's that he had rewrapped with linen. He would not ship the cue to me. I drove all the way down there from Georgia to buy a cue from him and see his shop. Of coarse I had to take the wife to the Keys while in the neighborhood. Walking into his shop was like walking back in time a few decades. He had none of the modern cuemaking equipment you would see in todays shops. I remember he wanted $800 for the cue and I offered him $1500 for his last two cues and he said no way. He was fun negotiating with. He finally came down $20 on one cue and opened the Blue Book of cues and showed me a Balabushka with similar acrylic window and knurls inside. Abe said, "See it is the same cue and it is listed for $6500." He went on to say Balabushka was not even a wood turner. Then he said, "I guess I will have to die before my cues bring that kind of money."
He was very entertaining to listen to. He felt like all of us modern cuemakers are cheating by using routers to taper our cues, instead of turning them by hand. He did act impressed when I told him I turned my first cues by hand also. I wish I had bought both cues. He had some more cues he was turning on at the time, but they were not going to have the acrylic windows so I was not interested in them. He kept trying to sell me the place. But he would not sell me the wood alone. He had a real loyalty to his customers and he wanted someone to keep the repair business going. That shop was his mission and he felt it was an important mission and he felt that it closing would let the local people down.
 
Chris,

Is this the window cue you were looking at?

Steve

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steve i owned either that cue or it's twin about 6 years ago. it was sold to me as a palmer but then i figured out it was a rich. it's one of the cues i wish i had kept.

guy
 
Here is an what I beleive to be an Abe Rich cue that I refinished and sold to a customer.

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Hunter- that window cue is nice. I don't think there are too many of those.
Craig- I agree that looks like an Abe Rich cue. I've seen a few with similar rings, woods, etc.
Did you refinish with a lacquer (like Abe)?
Were you able to save the wrap?

~Beau
 
ELBeau said:
Hunter- that window cue is nice. I don't think there are too many of those.
Craig- I agree that looks like an Abe Rich cue. I've seen a few with similar rings, woods, etc.
Did you refinish with a lacquer (like Abe)?
Were you able to save the wrap?

~Beau

Beau, I did not refinish with Lacquer, however, I did save the wrap.

Take care
 
My friend had a cocobolo front cue from Abe. It hit a TON!!! I wish that I bought it when I had the chance.
 
Abe Rich Cue

I have had this this cue since the 70's and paid a good deal of money
then and wanted to know if anybody knew any history of it and could tell
me what it would be worth today.



Thanks, Bob
 

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Bob,
That's not an "Abe Rich" cue, thought it seems to be a "Rich Q."
Abe worked with Saul Rich at some point, working in his shop before moving to FL and opening his own.
 
Hunter- that window cue is nice. I don't think there are too many of those.
Craig- I agree that looks like an Abe Rich cue. I've seen a few with similar rings, woods, etc.
Did you refinish with a lacquer (like Abe)?
Were you able to save the wrap?

~Beau
He used to dip his cues and hang them. The drying area had like a stalagmites where old finish had dripped from years of hanging cues. I used to hang around his shop a lot when I was a kid. We had a very bad argument some years ago and he was one to hold a grudge. Then one day I was at the pool room And a friend was on the phone with him and I guess mentioned my name. The guy called me over and said Abe wanted to speak to me. He asked me how things were and made small talk. I was glad we got what had happened behind us. I only saw him once again when I was in Miami before he died.

I have one interesting story about him. I was at his shop one day and a guy with a pool room in Naples Florida came in to buy some cues. After picking out maybe two dozen cues Abe made up a receipt and gave it to the guy. The guy started making him lower offers for the cues and wanted to bargain with Abe. Abe said that was the price. Then the guy continued making like counter offers and Abe started putting the cues back in his big closet where he kept the cues. The guy then said all right like he was annoyed and was getting out the money when Abe told him the cues were not for sale any more and to leave. The guy walked out kind in shock. I was surprised because it was close to a $2000.00 sale. Abe didn't care, he was insulted and that was that.

He could be very obstinate at times something I learned when we didn't talk for many years. What it was over was he wanted to sell me his shop. He wanted $30,000 for it but in my mind he didn't really have anything to sell and certainly not for $30,000. He had a lot of wood but little equipment and not equipment I would want to use, He tapered his shafts with sort of a centerless grinder where he put his shaft in and with hand pressure created the taper. It was all so primitive and I didn't want the place. He really got angry at me and said all that everything I had learned from him was like stealing and he said worse things to me. I was not there trying to learn to build cues I thought we were friends. I would bring him lunch and we would talk and so on. I knew him since I was 16 when he had the shop in the back of his brothers wood turning shop Rich Woodturning. Either way I was glad we made up and very sorry when I had heard he had passed. He was an original for sure.

The one thing I learned from him in terms of the cue business and maybe life a little bit was this. He built cues every day with or without orders. He would finish a cue and say "I am a richer man now, I turned some wood worth very little into something of value". That is the way he looked at it. That closet full of cues was worth something whether it be today or tomorrow of even if they were just wholesaled. He felt like he had the ability to sort of print his own money with his skills. Much different from the clock puncher who only makes others rich for a small salary that can be taken away.
I am paraphrasing of course he may have said it more profoundly with his accent, but it was a lesson and theory of life I never forgot. The ability to be self-sufficient, not dependent and live from ones own talents is a gift even if one never becomes rich from them. His words are worth remembering when building a cue, when it is completed as Abe would say "You are now a richer man".

Henry Thoreau Said,

"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them."

I don't think this is the case with the craftsman. He leaves something behind he created where nothing existed before.
He is not forgotten and remembered by many who never knew him.
 
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He used to dip his cues and hang them. The drying area had like a stalagmites where old finish had dripped from years of hanging cues. I used to hang around his shop a lot when I was a kid. We had a very bad argument some years ago and he was one to hold a grudge. Then one day I was at the pool room And a friend was on the phone with him and I guess mentioned my name. The guy called me over and said Abe wanted to speak to me. He asked me how things were and made small talk. I was glad we got what had happened behind us. I only saw him once again when I was in Miami before he died.

I have one interesting story about him. I was at his shop one day and a guy with a pool room in Naples Florida came in to buy some cues. After picking out maybe two dozen cues Abe made up a receipt and gave it to the guy. The guy started making him lower offers for the cues and wanted to bargain with Abe. Abe said that was the price. Then the guy continued making like counter offers and Abe started putting the cues back in his big closet where he kept the cues. The guy then said all right like he was annoyed and was getting out the money when Abe told him the cues were not for sale any more and to leave. The guy walked out kind in shock. I was surprised because it was close to a $2000.00 sale. Abe didn't care, he was insulted and that was that.

He could be very obstinate at times something I learned when we didn't talk for many years. What it was over was he wanted to sell me his shop. He wanted $30,000 for it but in my mind he didn't really have anything to sell and certainly not for $30,000. He had a lot of wood but little equipment and not equipment I would want to use, He tapered his shafts with sort of a centerless grinder where he put his shaft in and with hand pressure created the taper. It was all so primitive and I didn't want the place. He really got angry at me and said all that everything I had learned from him was like stealing and he said worse things to me. I was not there trying to learn to build cues I thought we were friends. I would bring him lunch and we would talk and so on. I knew him since I was 16 when he had the shop in the back of his brothers wood turning shop Rich Woodturning. Either way I was glad we made up and very sorry when I had heard he had passed. He was an original for sure.

The one thing I learned from him in terms of the cue business and maybe life a little bit was this. He built cues every day with or without orders. He would finish a cue and say "I am a richer man now, I turned some wood worth very little into something of value". That is the way he looked at it. That closet full of cues was worth something whether it be today or tomorrow of even if they were just wholesaled. He felt like he had the ability to sort of print his own money with his skills. Much different from the clock puncher who only makes others rich for a small salary that can be taken away.
I am paraphrasing of course he may have said it more profoundly with his accent, but it was a lesson and theory of life I never forgot. The ability to be self-sufficient, not dependent and live from ones own talents is a gift even if one never becomes rich from them. His words are worth remembering when building a cue, when it is completed as Abe would say "You are now a richer man".

Henry Thoreau Said,

"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them."

I don't think this is the case with the craftsman. He leaves something behind he created where nothing existed before.
He is not forgotten and remembered by many who never knew him.

I enjoyed your post very much. I too am glad you were able to smooth things over before he passed. Thanks for sharing. :smile:
 
He used to dip his cues and hang them. The drying area had like a stalagmites where old finish had dripped from years of hanging cues. I used to hang around his shop a lot when I was a kid. We had a very bad argument some years ago and he was one to hold a grudge. Then one day I was at the pool room And a friend was on the phone with him and I guess mentioned my name. The guy called me over and said Abe wanted to speak to me. He asked me how things were and made small talk. I was glad we got what had happened behind us. I only saw him once again when I was in Miami before he died.

I have one interesting story about him. I was at his shop one day and a guy with a pool room in Naples Florida came in to buy some cues. After picking out maybe two dozen cues Abe made up a receipt and gave it to the guy. The guy started making him lower offers for the cues and wanted to bargain with Abe. Abe said that was the price. Then the guy continued making like counter offers and Abe started putting the cues back in his big closet where he kept the cues. The guy then said all right like he was annoyed and was getting out the money when Abe told him the cues were not for sale any more and to leave. The guy walked out kind in shock. I was surprised because it was close to a $2000.00 sale. Abe didn't care, he was insulted and that was that.

He could be very obstinate at times something I learned when we didn't talk for many years. What it was over was he wanted to sell me his shop. He wanted $30,000 for it but in my mind he didn't really have anything to sell and certainly not for $30,000. He had a lot of wood but little equipment and not equipment I would want to use, He tapered his shafts with sort of a centerless grinder where he put his shaft in and with hand pressure created the taper. It was all so primitive and I didn't want the place. He really got angry at me and said all that everything I had learned from him was like stealing and he said worse things to me. I was not there trying to learn to build cues I thought we were friends. I would bring him lunch and we would talk and so on. I knew him since I was 16 when he had the shop in the back of his brothers wood turning shop Rich Woodturning. Either way I was glad we made up and very sorry when I had heard he had passed. He was an original for sure.

The one thing I learned from him in terms of the cue business and maybe life a little bit was this. He built cues every day with or without orders. He would finish a cue and say "I am a richer man now, I turned some wood worth very little into something of value". That is the way he looked at it. That closet full of cues was worth something whether it be today or tomorrow of even if they were just wholesaled. He felt like he had the ability to sort of print his own money with his skills. Much different from the clock puncher who only makes others rich for a small salary that can be taken away.
I am paraphrasing of course he may have said it more profoundly with his accent, but it was a lesson and theory of life I never forgot. The ability to be self-sufficient, not dependent and live from ones own talents is a gift even if one never becomes rich from them. His words are worth remembering when building a cue, when it is completed as Abe would say "You are now a richer man".

Henry Thoreau Said,

"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them."

I don't think this is the case with the craftsman. He leaves something behind he created where nothing existed before.
He is not forgotten and remembered by many who never knew him.

Very inspirational.
 
Rich Cue

My first cue, A Rich family, from 1963.

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An Amazing Man

Hi,

A truly amazing guy. He must have been very tough guy to survive the Dachau concentration camp after losing both parents via the Nazis. His talent and cues are a tribute to the human sprit and a triumph over oppression, literally!

Abe should be an inspiration to all. When you think you got troubles in life, just think what Abe went through and you can stop complaining and move on like Abe did.

Rick G
 
Thanks for sharing your stories and photos.
Bump for Abe Rich. ICA Hall of Fame Cuemaker, on the second anniversary of his passing.

~Beau
 
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