Help with cue Identification......

shamadam

shamadam

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Help with cue Identification......New info!.....More pics!

Hey all, I recently aquired an older looking cue. I'd love to know who made
it. 5/16-18 Piloted S.S. joint and stitch ringwork. I'm almost sure that the
second shaft did not originally come with the cue. The matching shaft
looks to have a curly maple shaft. Non ivory ferrules from what I can tell.
I'd like to know if its worth refinishing because the black material has
swelled and the cue is not all even. It did not come with a bumper, so
that doesn't help. I've included the maximum 10 pictures, but there is a
link to more at the bottom of the thread. The veneers do not split up the
middle, the go up the side, so maybe its a production, but I'd love to know
if anyone has seen this cue, or something just like it before. Maybe a model
number or something like that. Oh, and the points are not even.
About 1/2" from the highest to the loweset. Thanks in advance for any
help that anyone may have. Dom.

I just took off the wrap, and found out that the cue is
indeed a full spliced cue with veneers. I hope that this
helps, and I will be posting more pics hopefully tonight.

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Link to all pics: http://s159.photobucket.com/albums/t156/shamadam/Unknown cue/?start=all
 
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If I had to guess I would have to say the cue is a mali, I have a similar cue that is also unmarked that has been identified as a Mali, however, I do not know what model or series they are from. I do however, suspect that they were made in the early 80's.

Here is mine:

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Hope this helps
 
Thanks Craig. Much appreciated. Now, do you think Mali would have sold
cue with the points off so much? If not, how do you think that could have
happened. Could someone have done that trying to work on the cue?
Thanks again.

Here are some more pics with the wrap and loose buttcap removed. Hopefully someone could have a idea, or a guess at least. LOL.

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shamadam said:
Thanks Craig. Much appreciated. Now, do you think Mali would have sold
cue with the points off so much? If not, how do you think that could have
happened. Could someone have done that trying to work on the cue?
Thanks again.
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It is very common for production cues to have their point off that much, in fact I have seen much worst than that. I looked at your photo's again and there is a difference between the cue I posted and the cue you posted. The weight bolt on the cue you posted actually looks like a bolt used on a custom cue, and it is totally different than the Mali weight bolts I have seen. This is not saying that the bolt could not have been changed at some time, but it looks original to the cue to me.

Hopefully some of the more knowledgeable posters may add something to this thread.

Take care
 
Just a lil' bump for some opinions.
Custom or production? Whattya think?
Who's work does this cue remind you of?
Thanks again all.
 
Bump with new info. Its a full spliced cue with venners.
Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Dom.
 
Here is mine, my pics are not as good as the ones you guys took but check it out. On the butt cap it reads H.Betti, Here is a link about the company. Although mine is different, the joint and the points look a lot alike I hope this helps.

http://www.imperialusa.com/about/
 

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Cuebuddy said:
Heres mine my pics are not as good as the ones you guys took but check it out. On the butt cap it reads H.Betti, Here is a link about the company. Although mine is different, the joint and the points look allot alike I hope this helps. Jim

http://www.imperialusa.com/about/
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Thanks Jim! Much appreciated. Is your cue a full spliced also? It looks
like it is due to the points being so close together in your picture. I
just added some more pics with the wrap and butt cap removed.
Thanks again, Dom.
 
Yes it is I found it in a antique store in Monterey Ca. about a year ago. It came with a case and 2 shafts but they were not original to the cue. I got it for 9 dollars and it plays fine. I did some looking on the internet to find out info on it when I first got home from Cali. It seems like although yours, mine and Manwon's are very similar but not exact. Maybe someone back then (60's-70's) were mass producing these blanks and different companies were using them.....just a thought.
 
Well, so far the overwhelming favorite is an Old Helmstetter, with Mali
in a distant second. Just bumping it up to see if anyone else wants to
chime in with their $ .02. I did send out an email to the folks over at
Adams cues to see what they think. I've still to get and answer from
them. Thanks again all.
 
nick serdula said:
The weight bolt gives it away. Helmstetters had very even points.
Nick :)
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Thanks Nick! I have another post in the main forum, and someone posted
pics of their national cue. The butt cap, joint, and stitch ringwork looked
dead on to me. Also the weight bolt looked the same too. Did mali and
national import from the same factory back then maybe? Anyways, I'm
pretty sure that it is not a Helmstetter because they just emailed me
back and told me that they were stumped as to who made the cue. They
didnt say that it wasnt one of theirs. They just said that they were
stumped. Oh well. Thanks again all.
 
Hey Guys...hopefully this can help you and get some help for myself in the process...This cue I know was bought between '84 and '86, I know it's a Mali but I don't know a model number. When I first saw Shamadam's pics I thought it was the same cue as mine...upon looking closer I see that mine is all black where it makes the squares as opposed to the brown on Sham's...The points are off on this one as well...and the white dots around the joint are smaller...I've been trying to ID this one so if anyone knows the model number I would greatly appreciate it...

Thanks all!

Mattie

I've posted these on my server cause I made them a bit too big for in here...oops.

http://www.gtifilms.com/MaliButt.jpg
http://www.gtifilms.com/MaliPoints.jpg
http://www.gtifilms.com/MaliJoint.jpg
 
mattiefingaz said:
Hey Guys...hopefully this can help you and get some help for myself in the process...This cue I know was bought between '84 and '86, I know it's a Mali but I don't know a model number. When I first saw Shamadam's pics I thought it was the same cue as mine...upon looking closer I see that mine is all black where it makes the squares as opposed to the brown on Sham's...The points are off on this one as well...and the white dots around the joint are smaller...I've been trying to ID this one so if anyone knows the model number I would greatly appreciate it...

Thanks all!

Mattie

I've posted these on my server cause I made them a bit too big for in here...oops.

http://www.gtifilms.com/MaliButt.jpg
http://www.gtifilms.com/MaliPoints.jpg
http://www.gtifilms.com/MaliJoint.jpg
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Thanks for the help Mattie. Much appreciated.
 
Well, I called Mali up and they referred me to a fella thats been buying
from them for years. He's their best and oldest customer, and he knows
his stuff as well as anyone else. Well, he's in my neck of the woods (1/2
hour from me) and I talked to him on the phone. He checked this thread
out, and told me that he does not believe that the cue us a Mali. He said
that there is a chance, but he doubts it. He said that the wide stitch rings
on the joint are not what mali used. They used the little fine stitches like
in Manwons, and Mattie's cue. He also said that the tall points are not a
norm with Mali too. Oh well, just an update for you guys. Oh, he did say
that he didnt want to guess who made the cue, but it could have been any
number of persons/companies. Thanks again all. Hit another wall.
 
Your cue is from the old H Betti company- They purchased the old Rich Q company in the 70s and closed it in mid 80s to start Imperial. Many of the older H Betti cues had Rich Q full splices and higher quality woods such as Brazilian Rosewood from Rich Q old stock. I own a H Betti Brazilian Rosewood Q- old stock wood that you just will not find today - If you refinish their cues and add a quality shaft you have a great cue on your hands for very little money.
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It's 1000% an old 80's Mali. I grew up near their factory where they made this. Know this cue well.

-Bogey
 
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