My Combined Training System

Beware_of_Dawg

Beware_of_Dawg

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So I posted this exact thing in another thread that was discussing drills (ipat vs pro skills drills) I hadn't planned on mentioning it although Ive been working on it for a couple months now (more for myself & my teams than anything else)....

Dawg said:
Here's the post response I left (the question was which I liked more (ipat v. psd)....
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As I mentioned, I prefer ipat's drills.

Actually, Ive reviewed both along with a bunch of other DVD's drills and collected a bunch of other drills here & there... I like that ipat scores you on a number of different area's & I like some of the drills they use...

Soooooooo.....

I hadn't mentioned it, and hadn't decided what to do with it... but I created a "test" / "training program" using all the drills I liked the best from every different "system" and DVD I'd seen...

I tried to make it as diverse as possible while using some of the drills that I not only thought were useful... but were also "fun" because Im using this training program/test with the people on my pool teams to try to help them improve... It covers a bunch of very specific skills and Ive categorized each type of skill each drill emphasizes... so actually of the 18 sub drills (we call the whole test, "the gauntlet" lol.) they actually fall into 6 sub tests, or sections... (I think it's 6 or 7... subsets are long position, short position, runout drills, stroke drills, specialty (banks, combos), rail drills, etc...) so you don't have to try to do the whole test at once.... Similar I guess to like the SAT or something... I have it broken into total score & percentile then sub-skill pertentile scores, etc... I was hoping to use the individual drill scores to pin point specific skills that showed where my team members needed improvement on... and then used these "fun" drills in those correspoding areas to not only improve but to be able to have tangible documentation of those improvements...

Seems to be working very well, Ive been fine tuning it by running test though my team mates, getting feedback, etc... I was thinking of posting the full system/test/exercises here. got a bit more fine tuning to do, and Ive swapped out a few drills for other drills in the test as Ive found others I liked better or were more well recieved my my team members... Also, making (made) them skill level specific...

so it's optioned into A. B. & C. level... so I can give the same test to my low skill level players and my very high ones, I just change some things slightly... that part is built in. Ive also developed a couple "alternate" drills which can be interchanged within the test if people prefer them... (more "fun" for the individual, or even more of less challenging)

Depending on the interest, I will post up the entire system here for free soon.


Dawg said:
2nd Post response I left:
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thanks bro, I should start a post about this to gauge interest amybe that will either motivate me to slap the polish on it and bring her out of the garage for everyone to ride or maybe the opposite, LOL!.

Its pretty much fine tuned & finished (and bad as*!!) (pats self on back, LOL. I like it alot more than anything else Ive trained with. and not cause I made it, LOL) Alot of it really is typing out the specific scoring system used on each individual drill. There are like 18 total drills I think, some long, some short, that combined have been worked into EXACTLY 500 points (max score) (I know in my head exactly how to score it and can expalin every drill to my teammates with ease... and have made subtle changes as I noticed the effectiveness/ineffectiveness of the scoring system I was using)... SO I just need to type down the specifics, the drills are documented & all the graphics are perfect, and the score cards & system are done too... just need to get it out of the oven, and put her on a plate...
 
I'd be interested in trying your practice regimen. When your ready to share please keep me in the loop.

Thanks........TommyT
 
Thanks for the effort. I am looking for a systematic training method with a way to gauge my progress. As a relative beginner I don't really know where to begin and I look forward to giving your research a try!
 
Sounds quite interesting to me, as well. I'd like to see it, and try it out.
 
Beware_of_Dawg said:
So I posted this exact thing in another thread that was discussing drills (ipat vs pro skills drills) I hadn't planned on mentioning it although Ive been working on it for a couple months now (more for myself & my teams than anything else)....
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Sounds like a lot of work for you but a lot of fun for us.

Thanks!

Hu
 
I would like to give it a try. I hope enough members ask for it as I know it took a lot of time and effort to put it together on your part. Johnnyt
 
i think it kinda goes without saying, but i would be very interested to see your practice regimen as well. I could see it being the nuts though and you wanting to keep it to yourself. :p
 
ShootingArts said:
Sounds like a lot of work for you but a lot of fun for us.

Thanks!

Hu
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Yeah, it was a ton of work. But, sorta a labor of love or as my wife would say obsession. I worked on it and ran through a bunch more of the exercises with a bunch of friends tonight, it is fun... In a ruthless grueling way, lol.

Johnnyt said:
I would like to give it a try. I hope enough members ask for it as I know it took a lot of time and effort to put it together on your part. Johnnyt
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Effort, yeah you could say that. I must have seen a dozen plus video's & I couldn't tell you how much research finding the drills and practicing them to figure out exactly which ones combines serious challenge & entertainment value plus addressing exact and varrying skills...

~jj~ said:
i think it kinda goes without saying, but i would be very interested to see your practice regimen as well. I could see it being the nuts though and you wanting to keep it to yourself. :p
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I think it's the nuts. but i'm bias. lol.
 
I'd definitely be interested in what you have. You surely will get some helpful feedback from people here, which can only be a good thing, right?
 
@Beware_of_Dawg:

I agree with you that the PAT System is a very nice training-program. It is nice to check out abilitiesfrom a player etc.
I used to (and still like to) let a student play some drills from PAT 1-3 and capture it by cam to see how his mechanics and abilities are. But it s not the Gral with all of those drills/patterns which are all over the pool-world :-) - To play just solo on drills and patterns is fine- but without a qualified person (instructor or whoever) it can be senseless because most ppl are not able to fix their real problems. Atm i work with a guy who s really shootin well in a game like 9-ball. But his routines are bad and his mechanics are not constantly. So he for example is a perfect person to show him how many many things he have to work on- because some PAT drills (and some other) were like a desaster for him :p
What i try to say is, you have to find a balance between workin with a student- to identify where his real problems are. I know shooters who re reaching amazing results in PAT or other systems- but if they re going to play regular games.......Oooops....seems like almost a beginner.

Anyway congrats on the way you tried to work out a more specific or better system to train with- but without instructor or trainer it is always (in my opinion) extremly hard to get REALLY better-and even to reach a better and higher average-level.

Billiards is just about one thing- a straight Stroke (a bit simplified-but it nails it imo^^)- and no system could teach you to get a good and straight stroke.

I m very interested in your system- let me know what you worked out to spend some time on it :)

lg
Ingo
 
Ratta said:
@Beware_of_Dawg:

Anyway congrats on the way you tried to work out a more specific or better system to train with- but without instructor or trainer it is always (in my opinion) extremly hard to get REALLY better-and even to reach a better and higher average-level.

lg
Ingo
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I will happily share it with you. Just to be clear, Im not touting this as a teaching tool for you guys. Its a training tool. Actually irritated with myself that I used the word *system* in the title of this thread... i hate that word it's used to loosely. Won't call it that again, it's a "workout" or Cross Training program... With someone that understood what they were looking at/for while watching people perform the drills it could easily be used by a instructor or teacher as a tool to identify area's where fundamental instruction was needed.
 
I am also very interested in seeing what you have come up with, and thank you in advance for sharing all your hard work with us. It's great that so many here are willing to share their work/knowledge with others freely, simply for the love of the game.
 
You can add me to the list of people interested in trying your training routine.

I like having some structure to my practice sessions (whenever I'm actually able to spend time at the table). Without struture, I usually end up just throwing balls onto the table and trying to run out, which usually results in me not bearing down on every shot and getting careless. But when I am working through specific drills where I keep score, I am able to focus better and I feel like my game progresses more.

Thanks for anything you are willing to share.
Jeff
 
What a great tool you've developed there! I'd love to see it and hopefully improve my game from it!
 
This sounds really awesome Dawg. I'd love to try it out and give you feedback on the system as well. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Monitoring this thread :grin-square:
 
Rather than posting the whole thing up here hap-hazardly and because I was planning to fine tune it down to (at least what I felt was a science) I think Im just gonna pass this cross training program/measurement test down to a dozen or so of you who I can trust to evaluate it, use it and give me feedback on potential improvements I could make... or just get some genuine opinions as to the effectiveness of the program...

I'll count everyone who had responded as interested and you guys will get all the documents, drills, explanations, etc.... If you'll agree to give me feedback (good bad, or indiferent) I'd also like to stretch it across a fairly wide berth of skill levels so... to try it all all 3 levels of difficulty (A,B,C) and submit scores to me.... Call it a fine tuning my project... Hope some of you have some exposure to ipat, proskillsdrills, guarenteed imrpovement, or some other drill programs to have something to comapre this too...

anyone else interested in evaluating it ? Figure if I can line up 20 people that should cover a good "control group" for testing...

~D4\/\/G~
 
Sounds like a pretty fun project :) I'm definitely interested to compare this to IPAT and other drills that I've picked up from various places.
 
Tak81 said:
Sounds like a pretty fun project :) I'm definitely interested to compare this to IPAT and other drills that I've picked up from various places.
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Okee DOkkee, ur in. PM me ur name, email, etc...
 
If you are looking for expert insight into this project, I'm not your guy. I could probably be a control line for the bottom of the barrel for ya! :embarrassed2:

Seriously, I am an extreme beginner. I'm in my second session of a league, been playing less than a year. I still would be glad to try out what you have cookin', and let you know from that standpoint, if you're interested in that. (I would probably drag in my best bud, who got me started in this whole thing, and have him work it out with me. He's an experienced player, if that helps.) Or if you'd rather only have experienced folks helping you working it out in the initial phase, I understand and will wait patiently to see what you and everyone else thinks.

I still think it's a cool idea, and a rather large undertaking to put together. I already appreciate it, and haven't even seen it yet! Good luck.
 
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