Tap tap to Frank Del Pizzo at SBE

KMRUNOUT

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I just wanted to post an observation I had at the Super Billiards Expo Players Championship.

In the finals, Van Boening was playing Jonathan Pinegar. I was very impressed with Pinegar's game all weekend. Shane got out to a strong start, and soon is was something like 5-1. I went out for coffee. When I came back, Shane was on the 10 ball in another game. So I cautiously stayed still far away from the play area. However, I saw Pinegar up out of his seat, perhaps overanxious to rack up the balls. When I sat down, my friend said "He (Pinegar) keeps getting up while Shane is at the table." I didn't think much of it. Next thing I know, I can hear Frank Del Pizzo getting somewhat heated on the microphone with Pinegar. He was saying "when he's up, your down", basically telling Pinegar to stay in his seat until Shane was done at the table, a reasonable request. Next Pinegar is racking the balls (for himself). Del Pizzo pointed out that he was racking the balls high. Pinegar seemed a little upset with this, and a couple of people in the crowd, clearly on Pinegar's side, piped up and told Del Pizzo that he wasn't checking the rack for Shane. Rather than play that game, Del Pizzo said that he saw the racks for both of them, and that the person in the crown could leave if they wanted to get involved.

Next it was Shane's rack, and actually Del Pizzo did tell Shane that his rack was high. Perhaps Shane corrected it, or else didn't hear him, because a few moments later he completed the rack without incident. However, while doing so, Pinegar got up as if to verify for himself that the rack was good. Del Pizzo firmly told him to sit down, "I am the referee, not you; you have been warned." Pinegar attempted to offer some explanation while still standing and Del Pizzo cut him right off and authoritatively told him to sit down. "When he's up, you're down. That's the way the game is played". This elicited a round of applause from the crowd.

I should point out here that I don't think Pinegar was intentionally trying to shark Shane or anything like that, and I am certainly not out to bash him (if anything, he seemed like an OK guy and a damn fine player). However, the point of my post is to applaud Frank Del Pizzo for taking the attitude that far too few referees take, which is this: "you will do as you are told, I am running this show, I don't care who you are, comply or be penalized." He just chopped right through any BS that might have been going on. His request was clear, and Pinegar, regardless of his motivations, was not following it. I personally believe it is bad sportsmanship to get up out of your seat when your opponent is on the game ball. The defense is that you are just trying to move things along and are getting ready to rack the balls. However, I believe the only reason you should stand up or really do anything other than what you were doing when they were on, say, the 5 ball, is if you are conceding the game. Whether you intend it or not, you are changing the dynamic on the shot when you get up and begin to move towards the table when the opponent is on the game ball. You are basically implying to your opponent that the shot is a mere formality. If you as the shooter approach the shot this way, there will come the day when you miss it because you treated it as a formality.

I don't know Jonathan Pinegar at all, so I will therefore assume that he meant nothing by his actions. However, I still must recognize the excellent refereeing by Frank Del Pizzo. Nice job sir!!

KMRUNOUT
 
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Well said! That's exactly how I felt watching that match. I don't necessarily feel like Pinegar was deliberately trying to be underhanded either, but Frank did exactly what he was supposed to do in that kind of situation.
 
I generally disagree with Frank's actions as he can and has been rude to customers, staff members, and whoever else dares to be in his line of sight when he is flustered. I think the players should be held accountable for bad behavior and Frank does that but sometimes takes it to far.

I wasn't there to see what went on but this is one time I can agree with Frank. You might not know Hennessee but I assure most in the pool world do. Take a look at the action forum sometime. So long as he is winning, he is a perfect little gentleman. As soon as he gets behind, he intentionally starts acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum in an effort to get inside his opponents head. You might not want to say he was sharking Shane but I've seen the guy play enough to say that without being there to see it myself, he was sharking Shane.

It is not an accident that very few are willing to play against him and it has nothing to do with his skill level but everything to do with his attitude.
 
I was there and I think Frank handled himself very professionally. I do think that that when Pinegar got up when Frank had told Van Boeing that his rack was high, I think Pinegar was trying to get Shane's attention because as most know, Shane is deaf. I don't think he heard Frank at all. He didn't acknowledge Frank at all and didn't adjust the rack. I even heard Jonathan say, "Shane" and that was when Frank cut off Jonathan.
 
I generally disagree with Frank's actions as he can and has been rude to customers, staff members, and whoever else dares to be in his line of sight when he is flustered. I think the players should be held accountable for bad behavior and Frank does that but sometimes takes it to far.

I wasn't there to see what went on but this is one time I can agree with Frank. You might not know Hennessee but I assure most in the pool world do. Take a look at the action forum sometime. So long as he is winning, he is a perfect little gentleman. As soon as he gets behind, he intentionally starts acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum in an effort to get inside his opponents head. You might not want to say he was sharking Shane but I've seen the guy play enough to say that without being there to see it myself, he was sharking Shane.

It is not an accident that very few are willing to play against him and it has nothing to do with his skill level but everything to do with his attitude.

Good to know. As I said, if I don't know someone directly, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt. However the person you portray here certainly fits the events I witnessed. Its a shame, because he seems very talented.

KMRUNOUT
 
I was there and I think Frank handled himself very professionally. I do think that that when Pinegar got up when Frank had told Van Boeing that his rack was high, I think Pinegar was trying to get Shane's attention because as most know, Shane is deaf. I don't think he heard Frank at all. He didn't acknowledge Frank at all and didn't adjust the rack. I even heard Jonathan say, "Shane" and that was when Frank cut off Jonathan.

Yeah, it definitely seemed as though Shane didn't hear Frank, and that Pinegar was getting up to see if Shane made any sort of adjustment. Frank watched Shane finish up the racking, and it was a few more seconds after Frank said the rack was high. It is possible that Shane corrected the issue without realizing there was one. Its also possible that he didn't and Frank let it slide. One the other hand, Shane was silent and in his chair 100% of the time that Pinegar was shooting, so perhaps this bought him some leeway.

KMRUNOUT
 
I wasn't there but this sounds to me like Pinegar may not have been given a chance to explain himself or clarify his actions. Could be a case of his past behavior causing more tension than neccassery. Forgive my spelling

I was going to go into a whole rant here but to tired
 
This is very interesting. From another thread there is a whole different point of view about the ref - that he was out of line and rude and shouldn't have raised his voice at the players or the crowd.
 
There is a difference between stern and rude. I come across this all the time. I don't personally know any of the people in this situation but I am often called rude when I am not meaning to be rude just firm. It's tough babysitting grown men sometimes.
 
There is a difference between stern and rude. I come across this all the time. I don't personally know any of the people in this situation but I am often called rude when I am not meaning to be rude just firm. It's tough babysitting grown men sometimes.

I didn't know you were rude, err, I mean, firm. :p

Seriously, many people come across as rude even when they don't mean to be. They usually don't know it, though, and it's just their personality. But, people still take it as rude no matter what (I'm referring to the ref, not you)
 
I didn't know you were rude, err, I mean, firm. :p

Seriously, many people come across as rude even when they don't mean to be. They usually don't know it, though, and it's just their personality. But, people still take it as rude no matter what (I'm referring to the ref, not you)

Melinda,

I know what you mean but this guy is as rude as rude gets and I mean to everyone. Maybe worse to his own staff who he has belittled in front of everyone as well.
 
Melinda,

I know what you mean but this guy is as rude as rude gets and I mean to everyone. Maybe worse to his own staff who he has belittled in front of everyone as well.

I bet he was. Still interesting how his "actions" in the final are taking so differently. Some are praising him and some are saying he was rude.

I say he was rude - no need to act that way towards people in general, but *in a match*?!? Wow.
 
I bet he was. Still interesting how his "actions" in the final are taking so differently. Some are praising him and some are saying he was rude.

I say he was rude - no need to act that way towards people in general, but *in a match*?!? Wow.

Agreed.
If you're not paying much attention he can come across as decent and charming. It doesn't take much though to realize how he really is.
 
Just curious, but if there is a ref specifically for the one match, as in a final, why doesn't he just do all the racking? Wouldn't this have eliminated much of the problems that surfaced?
 
Ref call

I saw him call a hit where the shooter left his cue on the table and walked to the oposite side to view from there. His hand was off the cue which is a foul. He then made a good hit and play continued.

Why the no call? Because he was asked by the opponent to call the hit only or because he doesn't know that's a foul?

What if somebody made a good hit and his feet weren't on the floor? Same issue the referee should just call the foul.

All I know is that our tournament director of local events calls that foul and nobody gets away with it.
 
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