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06-15-2010, 06:28 AM

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Just join a masters league if you think you have enough game to play with 7's in your league without a handicap.
I was playing as a 7 in the TAP league in Hagerstown a few years back, so I'm curious to see how that translates in the APA league. Admittedly, I probably wasn't a "strong" 7 in that league, but I was pleased with it, since I don't play very much. I believe I was the underdog against some of the 7's there.

I would love to play in a masters league in the future, though. It would be a good way to match up with some better players without breaking my bank.

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I was playing as a 7 in the TAP league in Hagerstown a few years back, so I'm curious to see how that translates in the APA league. Admittedly, I probably wasn't a "strong" 7 in that league, but I was pleased with it, since I don't play very much. I believe I was the underdog against some of the 7's there.

I would love to play in a masters league in the future, though. It would be a good way to match up with some better players without breaking my bank.

Thanks Tony.

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Champions in Frederick is going to try and start a Masters League. This would require getting players from the Tuesday and Thursday night leagues.

On Monday night they are trying to start a handicapped 9 ball tournament - with 2s3s4s in one bracket and 5s6s7s in another bracket.

They are also going to start a Sunday non handicapped 9 ball tournament.

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I was playing as a 7 in the TAP league in Hagerstown a few years back, so I'm curious to see how that translates in the APA league. Admittedly, I probably wasn't a "strong" 7 in that league, but I was pleased with it, since I don't play very much. I believe I was the underdog against some of the 7's there.

I would love to play in a masters league in the future, though. It would be a good way to match up with some better players without breaking my bank.

Thanks Tony.

Skippy

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There is a real good, strong APA Master's League in Frederick at All Star Billiards on Monday nights. You would enjoy the competition there. You will already know a lot of the good players there.
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Just curious if anyone knows-Why/how did Mike wind up in Maryland?
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I thought his home town was Towson, Md??????
Hometown right now, perhaps, but not where he was born/raised, that latter of which is Rochester, NY.

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I thought his home town was Towson, Md??????
Sorry RandyG. Irondequoit, NY is his original home. Northern suburb of Rochester. Grew up literally next door to my ex. Moved to Towson to learn cuemaking at Joss. Not absolutely sure of that though.

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Skippy,

There is a real good, strong APA Master's League in Frederick at All Star Billiards on Monday nights. You would enjoy the competition there. You will already know a lot of the good players there.
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Thanks for the info. I'll check it out for sure.

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Mike Sigel as a coach - 06-16-2010, 08:23 PM

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AZB is reporting that Mike will be the new house pro in Frederick (my neck of the woods). I've always had great respect and admiration for Mike's game. He was the best in the biz, when I was playing a lot.

I was curious if anyone has opinions on how he would be as a coach/instructor and as a house pro. Being a great player does not guarantee he would be "great" at either of those roles.

I look forward to hearing everyone's opinion.
I have taken private lessons from a number of pros, and I have learned more from Mike Sigel than any of them.

In fairness to those other pros, I have spent a lot more time with Mike than with the others. I arranged for Mike to do come clinics and private lessons in our area back in January 2010. We had 19 people for a straight pool clinic in Glen Burnie and several 9-ball and 8-ball clinics in pool halls around the Baltimore, Frederick area.

Thoughout this time, Mike and I got to be pretty good friends and he stayed with me and my wife at my home off and on for a few months in early 2010. Once he worked out a deal with Champion Billiards Sports Cafe in Frederick, he rented an apartment within a 5 minute drive of the pool hall.

I have read alot about Mike on the various forums and I realize that he can be arrogent and self centered, especially in the past. And also Mike is still very cocky about his pool game, he has really mellowed in other ways.

For example, a friend of mine, Donnie, is a SL 7 player who has followed Mike's career since the 1980's. One time (at the first Super Billiards Expo whenever that was), Donnie tried to get Mike to sign an autograph right before a match and Mike grouched at the him and refused to sign unless he would pay for it. As it turns out, some guy used to advise Mike to always charge for autographs and things. A few months back, Donnie told me that Sigel was a great player, but was extremely rude to him and his girlfriend...

I told Donnie that Mike had changed and I reintroduced them. Now, they have played pool together several times and they have even gone fishing together. Donnie said he can't believe how friendly Mike is now compared to before. And by the way, Mike will routinely sign photos and things for free now. I see him do it all of the time.

I asked Mike about his reputation. He said that he always felt that it was easier to beat someone if he wasn't buddy-buddy with them. Of course, this has changed now that Mike is semi-retired.

In regards to the actual pool instruction, I actively take lessons from Mike and we play a few times each week for fun. Last week, I played several straight pool matches with him (race to 150), and was actually ahead of him briefly, until he got warmed up and ran 94 and out on me!

When you take a lesson with Mike, he has asks you to throw balls on the table and asks you to pocket balls. He first evaluates someone's preshot routine, stroke, etc.. When Mike started working with me, he said, "Your stroke is so choppy, if I had to watch it too much, it would put me in a mental hospital!" He even gave me the nickname "The Chopper".

But I have worked on my stroke and his "spinning drills' over the past few months and my game has picked up. Tuesday night, I played a sl 6 in 9-ball in a 46 to 46 race and won 46 - 27. I also beat a Sl 7 that I had never beaten before. I feel like I now know what to work on.

But it is a lot more than stroke. Mike showed me how to play position the way Irving Crane showed him. Mike hits low on the cue ball on about 80% of his shots and will often come back 2 rails instead of hitting high and going one rail. He can spend 3 or 4 lessons with you just going through drills on various ways to play positon.

To me, the most helpful thing he has showed me so far is what Mike called, "the slow draw drill."

Two years ago, I spent 5 hours playing pool with Mike Massey and I had him coach me on how to do the power draw. Keep the cue level, follow through with a good stroke, etc..

But some of what Mike Sigel said was actually quite different than what Massey showed me. For example, Sigel believes that the cue should alwasy have a slight down angle on a good draw stroke. And he showed me that I was holding the cue too tight, not following through enough, and releasing my wrist too soon. We spend 90 minutes one night with me doing the slow draw drill over and over on my table at my house. This one drill has helped my game more than anything. Mike says, " if you can stroke the ball in the slow draw drill, it will improve your stroke on all shots."

Also, someone in this forum made a comment that "Mike won't show up much and it won't last long". I can tell you that Mike is at Champions 5 days per week. He shows up at around 2:00 PM and stays until about 11:00 PM at night. As to whether it lasts long, that depends on how many lessons and clinics he can give. I know that he is really enjoying it right now, and he plans to do it for one year and see how it goes.

I could go on and on, but I feel like i am writing a book. If you really want to see what it is like, come by some Tuesday or Thursday evening in June and meet Mike. At least for the time being, Mike is playing 8-ball, 9-ball, straight pool with anyone who asks... for free.

Two nights ago, he played one pocket for almost 2 hours with a SL 7 player who came to meet him. The guy was amazed at how good Mike is at one pocket. Mike was beating the guy 8 - 1 and 8 -2, scores like that.

By the way, Mike will be gone on a fishing trip for a few weeks in July, but you can come by and meet him before or afte that trip.

Good shooting!

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06-16-2010, 08:43 PM

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Sorry RandyG. Irondequoit, NY is his original home. Northern suburb of Rochester. Grew up literally next door to my ex. Moved to Towson to learn cuemaking at Joss. Not absolutely sure of that though.

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Yes, Mike grew up in the Rochester area, and from age 17 to 21 was on the road (off and on) "gambling" with Larry Hubbart of APA fame. Mike would often gamble under the name "Steve Friedman" and Larry would use differnt names such as "Ralph".

In those 6 years, Mike said he only lost money two times, once to Dave Howard and once to Joe Salazar (SP?).

I have done a bunch of video taped interviews with Mike about his early hustling days. He has some great stories about the first time he played Steve Mizerak in Mizerak's own pool hall in New Jersey! Mike beat Steve out of around $2,500. It is an incredible story.

And I've got taped interviews about Mike's various gambling sessions with everyone from Earl Strickland to Efren Reyes. Mike talks about one time when he went to meet Efren in the Philipines. Mike went into the pool hall late at night and Efren was asleep on the floor under the table with his cue sitting on the talble and a half finished game. When Efren woke up, he went to the bathroom, came back and finished running out the balls on the table, before they played. Great stories, but I digress!

As someone said, Mike moved to Towson, MD to work for about 2 years for Joss cues. He live in MD for 10 to 12 year (not sure exactly), but then moved to Orlando, Florida where he made Sigel Custom Cues. Mike actually lived in a 10,000 SF house within a quarter mile of Tiger Woods. He met Tiger once and would often see him in the area, but didn't know him. But Mike did know some of the other celebrities in the area. For example, he used to go play pool with Chris Tucker (from the Rush Hour movies) at Chris's house.

He sold alot of his expenseive cues overseas, but between the ivory ban in Japan and a glut of other custom cue makers and the downward economy, Mike cue making fizzled out. Around 2007 or 2008 (??), Mike went through some personal issue and moved back into his family home in Rochester for a few years, but sold it in early 2010.

He spend most of early 2010 either staying withe me and my wife or fishing. He did play in 2 Eurotour matches, but if you ask him about what happened there, he gets all upset!! The bottome line, was that he concluded that he doesn't have "enough desire" to play in tournaments to put up with all of the political crap that goes along with it.

In May 2010, Mike moved to Frederick, MD and it working hard to give private lessons, group lessons, and help recruit people for the local APA leagues.

In addition, he has started running a small cash tournament on Monday evenings. I didn't go this week, but he said that about 8 people showed up at the first one, and some SL 5 name Dave, beat an SL 7 named Gabby in the finals.

Mike plans to start some open tournaments (not handicapped) when he gets back from his fishing trip. Either 9-ball or 10-ball, race to 5 on the winners side, race to 3 on the losers side.

If you want to be put on the list to hear about these tournaments, or if you will be traveling to the frederick MD area, and want to line up a private or group lesson with Mike, you can email him at:

ms@frederickchampions.com

Good shooting.

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By the way, Mike will be gone on a fishing trip most of July, but you can come by and meet him before or afte that trip.
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I have taken private lessons from a number of pros, and I have learned more from Mike Sigel than any of them.

In fairness to those other pros, I have spent a lot more time with Mike than with the others. I arranged for Mike to do come clinics and private lessons in our area back in January 2010. We had 19 people for a straight pool clinic in Glen Burnie and several 9-ball and 8-ball clinics in pool halls around the Baltimore, Frederick area.

Thoughout this time, Mike and I got to be pretty good friends and he stayed with me and my wife at my home off and on for a few months in early 2010. Once he worked out a deal with Champion Billiards Sports Cafe in Frederick, he rented an apartment within a 5 minute drive of the pool hall.

I have read alot about Mike on the various forums and I realize that he can be arrogent and self centered, especially in the past. And also Mike is still very cocky about his pool game, he has really mellowed in other ways.

For example, a friend of mine, Donnie, is a SL 7 player who has followed Mike's career since the 1980's. One time, Donnie tried to get Mike to sign an autograph right before a match and Mike grouched at the him and refused to sign unless he would pay for it. As it turns out, some guy used to advise Mike to always charge for autographs and things. A few months back, Donnie told me that Sigel was a great player, but was extremely rude to him and his girlfriend...

I told Donnie that Mike had changed and I reintroduced them. Now, they have played pool together several times and they have even gone fishing together. Donnie said he can't believe how friendly Mike is now compared to before. And by the way, Mike will routinely sign photos and things for free now. I see him do it all of the time.

I asked Mike about his reputation. He said that he always felt that it was easier to beat someone if he wasn't buddy-buddy with them. Of course, this has changed now that Mike is semi-retired.

In regards to the actual pool insturction, I actively take lessons from Mike and we play a few times each week for fun. Last week, I played several straight pool matches with him, and was actually ahead of him briefly, until he got warmed up and ran 94 and out on me!

When you take a lesson with Mike, he has asks you to throw balls on the table and asks you to pocket balls. He first evaluates someone's preshot routine, stroke, etc.. When Mike started working with me, he said, "Your stroke is so choppy, if I had to watch it too much, it would put me in a mental hospital!" He even gave me the nickname "The Chopper".

But I have worked on my stroke and his "spinning drills' over the past few months and my game has picked up. Tuesday night, I played a sl 6 in 9-ball in a 46 to 46 race and won 46 - 27. I also beat a Sl 7 that I had never beaten before. I feel like I now know what to work on.

But it is a lot more than stroke. Mike showed me how to play position the way Irving Crane showed him. Mike hits low on the cue ball on about 80% of his shots and will often come back 2 rails instead of hitting high and going one rail. He can spend 3 or 4 lessons with you just going through drills on various ways to play positon.

To me, the most helpful thing he has showed me so far is what Mike called, "the slow draw drill."

Two years ago, I spent 5 hours playing pool with Mike Massey and I has him coach me on how to do the power draw. Keep the cue level, follow through with a good stroke, etc..

But some of what Mike Sigel said was actually quite different than what Massey showed me. For example, Sigel believes that the cue should alwasy have a slight down angle on a good draw stroke. And he showed me that I was holding the cue too tight, not following through enough, and releasing my wrist too soon. We spend 90 minutes one night with me doing the slow draw drill over and over on my table at my house. This one drill has helped my game more than anything. Mike says, " if you can stroke the ball in the slow draw drill, it will improve your stroke on all shots."

Also, someone in this forum made a comment that "Mike won't show up much and it won't last long". I can tell you that Mike is at Champions 5 days per week. He shows up at around 2:00 PM and stays until about 11:00 PM at night. As to whether it lasts long, that depends on how many lessons and clinics he can give. I know that he is really enjoying it right now, and he plans to do it for one year and see how it goes.

I could go on and on, but I feel like i am writing a book. If you really want to see what it is like, come by some Tuesday or Thursday evening in June and meet Mike. At least for the time being, Mike is playing 8-ball, 9-ball, straight pool with anyone who asks... for free.

Two nights ago, he played one pocket for almost 2 hours with a SL 7 player who came to meet him. The guy was amazed at how good Mike is at one pocket. Mike was beating the guy 8 - 1 and 8 -2, scores like that.

By the way, Mike will be gone on a fishing trip most of July, but you can come by and meet him before or afte that trip.

Good shooting!
DUDE! I can't make it up that way to get a lesson from Mike Siegel but the LEAST you could do for us shut-ins is to give us the details on THE SLOW BALL DRILL. Come on, give it up. Explain what it is and the purpose behind it.
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Just returned from APA league at Champions - 06-17-2010, 09:53 PM

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DUDE! I can't make it up that way to get a lesson from Mike Siegel but the LEAST you could do for us shut-ins is to give us the details on THE SLOW BALL DRILL. Come on, give it up. Explain what it is and the purpose behind it.
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If I would have seen these posts before our league night, I would have got Dan to show me the show draw drill. I'll have to ask him to show me that one.

It was my first night playing in the APA league at Champions in Frederick. Sigel was there the whole time, playing with league members and being very sociable. I got to meet him and speak with him briefly. He seems like a very nice guy. I really enjoy his colorful persona, because it makes him interesting and he often talks through his thought process when he is playing, which I find very interesting. I hope he doesn't get bored or unhappy with what he is doing, because it is good for the pool in this area.

I want to get him playing some straight pool, so he can help me be a 100 ball runner.

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I have taken private lessons from a number of pros, and I have learned more from Mike Sigel than any of them.
Great overall post, Dan. I need to take some lessons from Mike. Is he available most of the time he is at Champions (based on availability, of course), or should I just email him to find out a good time? What is the hourly cost?
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06-18-2010, 02:00 PM

When Mike was in top form playing regularly on the pro tour he was called "Mr. Finals" because he had the best winning record playing in tournament finals. He might go through a whole tournament just getting by in some of his matches, but when he got to the finals he just played perfect and if anyone beat Mike they had to bring a lunch.

Another huge compliment to Mike Sigel came from most people's and mine favorite and best player of all time pick none other than Efren Reyes. Efren was doing commentary (very rare) with Jerry McWorter and Jerry was asking Efren questions during the match and one of the questions Jerry asked Efren was who was the toughest opponent he ever faced and Efren didn't hesitate saying "Mike Sigel was without question the toughest player he's faced". Coming from Efren that's quite a compliment about Mike. I own many many Accu-stats videos and to me nobody played better than Mike when he was in his glory days on the pro tour.........

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