Need some help with a cue identification

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Here is a cue that was sent ot me for a refinish, it is very well made but I have no idea who may have made this cue. The diamond inlays in the forearm and the butt are the old style used in Guitars so I suspect that this cue was made in the 1960's. It has some charactoristics of Adam cues and some similar to Viking and some that resemble early work by Palmer so over all it is very confusing. However, I think the cue could be an early Helmstetter or a National cue, any help would be appreciated.

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Thanks
 
Craig, I would agree with your assessment....most likely a National. For sure not a Palmer.
 
Is it full splice?

Did you rewrap it if so did you take a picture of it with the wrap off?
Send a picture to Jerry Rauenzahn. The collars on the shafts look Viking, They built a line of cues like for Gandy.
Nick :)
 
Did you rewrap it if so did you take a picture of it with the wrap off?
Send a picture to Jerry Rauenzahn. The collars on the shafts look Viking, They built a line of cues like for Gandy.
Nick :)

Nick it could certainly be an old Gandy cue, Tate sent me a copy of a Catalog he has and while the cue was not listed some of the cues did have similar desgins including the Stainless Steel half joint.

Thanks Nick
 
I* thought all the old national's had the name block lettered in?

Mnay of the early National Cues were not marked except with a small decal that wore off with time. Most of the National cues that people see that had National stamped in the Butt were made much later, in fact I am not sure they were made by the same company.

Take care
 
Here are some additional photo's of the under wrap area, the cue is Full Spliced and they used some beautiful Striped Ebony.

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old forearm 2.jpg
 
Damn, that is beautiful...!!! I got hold of something there didn't I. So do you think it is a Gandy? Has Tate got an opinion?

Tate thinks it could be a Gandy that was built with Adam parts. He has said that that was common place even on the old Palmers. But, the more I think about it, the more I think the cue was a early National cue. When National Chalk started their cue facility they hired Richard Helmstetter to set up the facility, Richard also brought in many cue makers that would become famous later. Such as, Bob Meucci, Paul Huebler and many many others, these early cues were very well built and can be found using many techniques that were later used when these gentleman set up their own shop's. Such as many early National cues will have the Nylon Insert Used in later Huebler cues, while working there Bob Meucci also gave a number of those cues many touches that were seen in his later cues. Richard Helmstetter was already making his own blanks at this time and when he stopped working for them he became a partner in Adam and went to Japan and set up and re-tooled that facility.

I doubt we will ever tie this down completely but this cue certainly shows signs of many later innovations that are still used today, I think you definitely found a keeper.

I am working on the cue as we speak, I will post some additional photo's as progress is made that you can keep of the restoration.

Take care and thanks for the opportunity to work on this for you, I appreciate the confidence in my abilities.
 
Tate thinks it could be a Gandy that was built with Adam parts. He has said that that was common place even on the old Palmers. But, the more I think about it, the more I think the cue was a early National cue. When National Chalk started their cue facility they hired Richard Helmstetter to set up the facility, Richard also brought in many cue makers that would become famous later. Such as, Bob Meucci, Paul Huebler and many many others, these early cues were very well built and can be found using many techniques that were later used when these gentleman set up their own shop's. Such as many early National cues will have the Nylon Insert Used in later Huebler cues, while working there Bob Meucci also gave a number of those cues many touches that were seen in his later cues. Richard Helmstetter was already making his own blanks at this time and when he stopped working for them he became a partner in Adam and went to Japan and set up and re-tooled that facility.

I doubt we will ever tie this down completely but this cue certainly shows signs of many later innovations that are still used today, I think you definitely found a keeper.

I am working on the cue as we speak, I will post some additional photo's as progress is made that you can keep of the restoration.

Take care and thanks for the opportunity to work on this for you, I appreciate the confidence in my abilities.

I am delighted to have you working on it. And, yes it is a keeper for sure. Having viewed some of your builds, I was pretty confident you were the guy to handle this for me.... It pleases me to find I was correct.....
 
I am delighted to have you working on it. And, yes it is a keeper for sure. Having viewed some of your builds, I was pretty confident you were the guy to handle this for me.... It pleases me to find I was correct.....


Thanks Buddy, and have good day!
 
One more thing, I really like what you did with the bumper... brings it all to life...
 
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