As promised, though later than expected...

jalapus logan

jalapus logan

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I had unexpected house guests this evening. Nevertheless, below is the link to my first video, as promised.

Here are some notes about my equipment. I play on a 4.5 X 9 Diamond Pro table, which I really enjoy. It is tight and rather demanding. My cloth is 3.5 year old Simonis 860 (heavily used), which is all I really know other than the thick, nappy stuff. I've never played on faster cloth than this. Also, I really cant find anyone to play 14.1 with in my area, which is sad, because I really enjoy what little I know of it. I guess that's where the ol' webber-net comes in, bridging gaps and all. I look forward to your comments and suggestions. Please be brutal, if that is your bent. I play pool because I enjoy the game, and that's about it, so no need to pull punches. Having said that, I am genuinely interested in participating in the 14.1 community in the future. I think that it's a great game and this sub-forum seems to me to have some genuinely nice folks who really like the game and enjoy sharing knowledge and encourage other people, which I respect.

All that said, I hope that we can learn together at this fantastic game. Maybe one day I can actually engage a live human in 14.1. Until then, enjoy the debacle:

http://www.vimeo.com/16906474
 
just watched your video, well you got into trouble right after your first shot. You have to know what you play next before you shoot a shot and possibly have an insurance f you dont get the right position. Also, you have to take more time to analyze the layout, if you dont have a breakshot you have to figure out a way to create one. Even after you opened that 3 ball cluster you still did not take any time to figure it out. you got a breakshot with the 10, but watch out to not run into balls too much when not necessary, that can cause problems fairly easy. in the 2nd rack you hit em again with the 5 after you already broke em. The rack was pretty loose so no need to do so. How about shooting the 9, follow to the 12 i believe it is and the break em slightly with the 4,7 as insurance ? again, you shoot the balls off without thinking to create a breakshot. I see you at 7:00 were you stopped the first time and thought for a second. I would have used the 12 as behind the rack breakshot here, earlier on the 1 would have been a good keyball to the 9 for a breakshot. was slightly high but makeable. now you have 3 balls left, i would have shot the 3 down the corner almost stop there and roll the 11 in to break em with the 12. As you see the 3 ball is almost too low in the rack for a good breakshot. made a nice cut after that unlucky layout after the 3rd break. later that rack you shot a ball into the side and went into the 11, no need to do so as the balls were open. dont create problems were you dont have any. still no breakshot, you shot the 4 in which was a breakshot. you tried to bump the 8 out with it which was a good try but did not work out. you just keep shooting from there instead of rethinking and figuring it out. the more balls you shoot in the lesser options you have and this is why you ended up with that at the end.

again, take your time, figure it out how to run the rack and maybe create breakshots, think about keyballs. its not all about making the balls. you need to work on your patterns and position play.

42 is a good run but you can make this easier than you did for you and that will result in higher runs. keep on practicing and enjoy the game we all love.

hope i did point out a few things for you that may help you get better.
 
42

I think that you did real well. I can see that you have the skill of running a lot of balls. You let that last rack get away from you by not setting up a break ball early in the rack. The balls that were left were in bad spots on the table and far apart from each other. When that happens again. Try to remember that if you shoot the last ball in before the break ball and leave the cue ball in the rack area. You will have the cue ball in hand in the kitchen. Also, you need to draw the rack out line. This way you will know where the rack is at all times and you will be able to push balls into break shot areas during your run. There is a good Thread about marking the table right here in the 14.1 Forum.
It is not hard to run balls when you have Jimmy playing in the back ground........ Great version of Sunshine of Your Love.
Keep up the good work & thanks for posting.
 
sascha said:
just watched your video, well you got into trouble right after your first shot. You have to know what you play next before you shoot a shot and possibly have an insurance f you dont get the right position. Also, you have to take more time to analyze the layout, if you dont have a breakshot you have to figure out a way to create one. Even after you opened that 3 ball cluster you still did not take any time to figure it out. you got a breakshot with the 10, but watch out to not run into balls too much when not necessary, that can cause problems fairly easy. in the 2nd rack you hit em again with the 5 after you already broke em. The rack was pretty loose so no need to do so. How about shooting the 9, follow to the 12 i believe it is and the break em slightly with the 4,7 as insurance ? again, you shoot the balls off without thinking to create a breakshot. I see you at 7:00 were you stopped the first time and thought for a second. I would have used the 12 as behind the rack breakshot here, earlier on the 1 would have been a good keyball to the 9 for a breakshot. was slightly high but makeable. now you have 3 balls left, i would have shot the 3 down the corner almost stop there and roll the 11 in to break em with the 12. As you see the 3 ball is almost too low in the rack for a good breakshot. made a nice cut after that unlucky layout after the 3rd break. later that rack you shot a ball into the side and went into the 11, no need to do so as the balls were open. dont create problems were you dont have any. still no breakshot, you shot the 4 in which was a breakshot. you tried to bump the 8 out with it which was a good try but did not work out. you just keep shooting from there instead of rethinking and figuring it out. the more balls you shoot in the lesser options you have and this is why you ended up with that at the end.

again, take your time, figure it out how to run the rack and maybe create breakshots, think about keyballs. its not all about making the balls. you need to work on your patterns and position play.

42 is a good run but you can make this easier than you did for you and that will result in higher runs. keep on practicing and enjoy the game we all love.

hope i did point out a few things for you that may help you get better.
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Thanks for this thorough response. If I were to sum up my novice straight pool game in one word, it would be confused. I understand some basic principles of the game, but that is about it. In fact, I don't even know all of the rules (such as the last ball being left in the racking area being moved to the opposing spot as mentioned in the post below). I intend on reading up on this game and incorporating it regularly into my playing routine (which is really anything but routinine - as I just play as time allows - none last night - BOO!).

I think that your critiques are spot on. I will watch the video again with your commentary in hand and try to visualize what you are saying. I think that my best game is onepocket, and strategies seem to come to me naturally (really, I just played for years with a SOLID 1P player, and he taught me much). I don't feel natural in 14.1, so I think that I'm almost starting from scratch here. Nevertheless, I shall trudge on (do you here the trumpets sounding?).
 
14-1StraightMan said:
I think that you did real well. I can see that you have the skill of running a lot of balls. You let that last rack get away from you by not setting up a break ball early in the rack. The balls that were left were in bad spots on the table and far apart from each other. When that happens again. Try to remember that if you shoot the last ball in before the break ball and leave the cue ball in the rack area. You will have the cue ball in hand in the kitchen. Also, you need to draw the rack out line. This way you will know where the rack is at all times and you will be able to push balls into break shot areas during your run. There is a good Thread about marking the table right here in the 14.1 Forum.
It is not hard to run balls when you have Jimmy playing in the back ground........ Great version of Sunshine of Your Love.
Keep up the good work & thanks for posting.
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Thanks for the encouragement. I'm going to try to post up a video every couple of weeks or so, as time allows. You are right about that last break ball. As mentioned above, I need to slow down and consider options before firing away. I also need to become more comfortable with other breakshots, like below the rack, from the side pocket, etc. Also, I will certainly trace out the outline of the rack. You can see in the vid that I had to stop and get the rack to see where the remaining balls were in relation to it.

About the music, I agree that Jimi can only help my cause. That particular album is his live performance at Winterland from 1968. What a performance. He really made that guitar wail.

Again, thanks for the comments. I'll try to post up some more next week or so.

Happy playing all...
 
jalapus logan said:
Thanks for this thorough response. If I were to sum up my novice straight pool game in one word, it would be confused. I understand some basic principles of the game, but that is about it. In fact, I don't even know all of the rules (such as the last ball being left in the racking area being moved to the opposing spot as mentioned in the post below). I intend on reading up on this game and incorporating it regularly into my playing routine (which is really anything but routinine - as I just play as time allows - none last night - BOO!).

I think that your critiques are spot on. I will watch the video again with your commentary in hand and try to visualize what you are saying. I think that my best game is onepocket, and strategies seem to come to me naturally (really, I just played for years with a SOLID 1P player, and he taught me much). I don't feel natural in 14.1, so I think that I'm almost starting from scratch here. Nevertheless, I shall trudge on (do you here the trumpets sounding?).
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Welcome, you will get better the more you play the game and the more you learn from reading and watching videos of the top players or some posted on here. As i understand it you are a beginner who just started to play the game and for that running 3 racks is real good !

like i said, keep it up !
 
So you're the guy that likes Jimmy Hendrix.............. j/k

Nice run. Good ball pocketing skills. I'm no hundred ball runner, but if I could make a few suggestions, I'd say a tad less CB movement, look for the connect the dots patterns

Define the breakball early as well as a few keyball and ball to keyball options early. If they don't exist, look for a way to create one before you take too many balls off the table.

You're backstroke had a very noticeable twist in it that took your stroke off line on your breakshots. It seemed to work for you and I don't know it that stroke is necessarily a bad thing, just something I noticed.

Marking the table may help you become aware of your breakshot options easier and earlier. I think you play very well.




edit ... I just watched your run again. I had an after thought. You also need a book..... Not a book on pool, a book for your camera tripod. :) Again, great shooting! I enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing.
 
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3andstop said:
So you're the guy that likes Jimmy Hendrix.............. j/k

Nice run. Good ball pocketing skills. I'm no hundred ball runner, but if I could make a few suggestions, I'd say a tad less CB movement, look for the connect the dots patterns

Define the breakball early as well as a few keyball and ball to keyball options early. If they don't exist, look for a way to create one before you take too many balls off the table.

You're backstroke had a very noticeable twist in it that took your stroke off line on your breakshots. It seemed to work for you and I don't know it that stroke is necessarily a bad thing, just something I noticed.

Marking the table may help you become aware of your breakshot options easier and earlier. I think you play very well.




edit ... I just watched your run again. I had an after thought. You also need a book..... Not a book on pool, a book for your camera tripod. :) Again, great shooting! I enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing.
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All great observations and suggestions. Indeed, I know about my backstroke. I call it a "hitch". I'm not really concerned about it at this time. My strategy for improvement has always been to focus on one or two things at a time until they become second nature. Anything more than that and I get uncomfortable and start to perform poorly. About the follow trough, I just make sure that it is dead straight. As long as the follow through is straight, I reason that my hit will be more or less true. I do intend on perfecting my stroke however.

Also, about the book, you should have seen my half-assed set up. My tripod had one leg positioned on my hot water heater, one on a tv tray, and one on a bar stool, with each leg "shimmed" up with chalk boxes, books, etc. I'll try to add one more book to even it out next time - ha ha!

Thanks again for all of your great comments.
 
Great run, you did well on getting your break ball and your cue ball into position the second and third rack. I am new to 14.1 as well, and have a long way to go to get to a 42, so NICE JOB!

I am also trying to learn about pattern play, set-up, key and break ball play. I can seem to run most racks, but getting from one rack to the next kills me.

I'd be interested in hearing Blackjack's thoughts on your options for the last three balls you had at the end. That 9 ball was awful high for a break ball. I would have thought going 9, then 5 would have given you better options at that point.

My next goal is to make it into that fourth rack.
 
I thought your patterns looked good. Much better music selection than most posted videos
 
Thanks again for the bon mots fellas. It seems that straight pool players love some Jimi. I tried tonight for about an hour and a half or so and only got a 28 and some others somewhere in the twenties. Had real trouble setting up good break shots today. It must have been the JOHN PRINE that I was listening to. Maybe I'll try some speed metal next and see how that affects my pay. :D
 
Nice run sir. Running a 42 is pretty sporty for not having any idea what you're doing. :) I always said you can make balls (gentle ribbing). Once you learn the patterns I have faith you'll double that.

I have some 14.1 dvd's I'll let you borrow if you have the inclination. There are a couple from Schmidtty that are player reviews. They can be very helpful in getting in the mind of a superstar player.
 
A love affair

I just watched your video. You are a very talented player. Very , very good at pocketing. You would benefit greatly by watching some of the greats like Sigel, Varner, Dallas West, Schmidt, Harriman, etc. You have the talent to become a hundred ball runner very quickly if you learn a little more. Watching those videos will teach you what you need to know.
Schmidt has a player review tape out as does Harriman. Something else that would benefit you greatly is Pat Fleming. If you email me privately
I will give you the details. NLook37156@aol.com
 
Bumping an old thread. No criticism. You are a fine shot maker. Meaning, you don't miss often.

I'm jealous! :wink:
 
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