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Wybrook

Wybrook

A. Wheeler
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I had to play Johnny Archer in the 7th round of the 9 ball on Saturday at 11:00am. I got there and hit balls early as well as most of the other players and the matches were announced a few minutes after 11. Everyone started their matches except for me.

At 11:10 am, Johnny wasn't there so I went to the tournament desk and advised them and the woman attending to the tournament told me he was on the clock and had 5 minutes.

At 11:20 am I went back to the desk and asked them if it was now a forfeit and what time the next draw was at, since Johnny had not shown up yet. I was told that they didnt have the authority to forfeit him...?

At 11:30 am, Johnny shows up and I am told to play, even though he is a half hour late.

I was a little bothered by this whole episode and it reflected in my game and I henceforth, lost the match. I went and found the tournament director who was not present during the earlier dealings and he said that since he was not present he can't make a decision. I was told to go talk to the "real" head tournament director "Paul Smith", who I looked for and asked for, but he was not around the desk (apparently, just when things like this come up).

I feel a little jaded by this whole situation and wanted to vent a little. There were lots of players forfeited over the tournament, why not this match? The rule was 15 mintutes, as specified in the Player's Meeting and posted on the site. It cost me an extra $300 and possibly more, if I had won the match.

Any thoughts?
 
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You probably won't get a lot of sympathy from this forum as there are many a name-dropper an even more suck-ups on here than I care to count. As for myself, it sounds to me as if you got a rotten deal. But....it's certainly not the first time a pro has gotten some slack cut, and it certainly won't be the last.

Maniac
 
I tend to agree with you.

There's obviously reasons why they don't want him out of the tournament, to sell more dvd's, more fans through the gate etc....

But I think he should have been forfeited. If at the 15 minute point you don't see the player running towards the table, that's it.

It doesn't matter if it's a hall of famer, everyone should play by the same rules.
 
This is not the first time and probably not the last time something like this has/will happen. It happened to a friend of mine many years ago at the Texas Open, when his opponent was Dick Lane. Maybe there would have been a different result if you had refused to play until Mr. Smith appeared and made a decision. There should be no room for preferential treatment like this.
 
On the Joss tour, or at least the turning stone event, for every 5 minutes you are late, you give up a game on the wire. Once 15 minutes hits, you are forfeited no exceptions.

Did Johnny give up any games on the wire?
 
Okay, I am going to go on record here and admit that I was wrong. There are obviously more people on Wybrooks side than I had originally believed there would be (judging from the current postings).

I was wrong! :sorry:

But I was right in saying that Wybrook got a bum deal. He should have moved on in the tournament!!!

Maniac
 
Maniac said:
Okay, I am going to go on record here and admit that I was wrong. There are obviously more people on Wybrooks side than I had originally believed there would be (judging from the current postings).

I was wrong! :sorry:

But I was right in saying that Wybrook got a bum deal. He should have moved on in the tournament!!!

Maniac
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It's nothing against JA. It's an unfair advantage to make your opponent sit there and wait. It probably would influence the results of the match.
 
Maniac said:
Okay, I am going to go on record here and admit that I was wrong. ..
Maniac
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And this is new news?! Again?!!:grin::wink:

1. You never know what happened, unless you ask.
B. *As soon as the match 'started' (late) I would have taken the balls and told him I'd be back in 30min.

*Not really, I woulda just taked my whoopin:o...or returned to find that the TD has ejected me from the tourney and/ or venue. Don't think many would get the consideration JA got.
 
This is totally not personal on any level. I would complain if this was any other player.

I have no issue playing the match, except for the fact that I am made to wait for him to show up. I was told that apparently Johnny had forgotten his cues and had to go to his car to get them? And this takes a half hour?? I don't think so.

Really, there is no reasonable excuse. If I was 16 minutes late, guess what....

I don't like making waves and I even know Johnny, but this was not fair in the least.
 
I'd take Adam's side on this too assuming his statement is factual. During the players meeting they were very clear about this. If the player is not there at the scheduled time, he is then put on a 20 minute clock. If they don't show, they lose... PERIOD..

They also stated that after day one that the dress code would be enforced. That was a joke too as I even saw that being broken regularly even on the TV table. I think it was the banks final and Pags was wearing a T-shirt over a long sleeved T-shirt and no fuss was made.

It makes no difference to me either way but if you are going to have rules, why not enforce them. Be consistent, we all pay the same money to play in the tourney, we should all abide by the same rules. JMHO
 
I am sure that you have watched sports on TV. Everyone and all the players know that the stars of the game get the calls their way. Jordan, Gretzky, and Kolby, would get to bend the rules a little and the league protects them. The great pitchers would get the benefit of strike calls as would the great batters.

It is not fair but that is the way it is. Many attend that event to see the stars play and they want them in the finals. Look at it this way. You got to play against Archer and have a chance to see how you rate against a top player. I would have rather played than win by a forfeit.

And you have to consider that Archer may have been tied up picking lint off of another table. :rolleyes:
 
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Look at it this way. You got to play against Archer and have a chance to see how you rate against a top player. I would have rather played than win by a forfeit.
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Haha.... I am not there to play against Johnny Archer to get experience. I can win the match if he makes one or two mistakes, or breaks poorly...

I am not some league player playing a "big" tournament so I can get a chance to meet someone... :)
 
MOJOE said:
During the players meeting they were very clear about this. If the player is not there at the scheduled time, he is then put on a 20 minute clock. If they don't show, they lose... PERIOD..
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Here is the rule pulled from the website as well as what was discussed:

Forfeit Time: Once your match is announced, you have 15 minutes to be at your match table with your equipment or you lose the match by forfeit.
 
You know the pros can do whatever they want, just be happy it was only a half hour. He wouldnt have gotten forfeited for 2 hours. Only time rules apply to another pro is if they are playing a bigger named pro. Thats how it is, thats how it will always be.
 
This is a little like not being one of Barry's people. Certain rules do not apply to the chosen. Some pay taxes an some forget. Some go to jail you get the ideal. Wonder what would of happen to you in that match if Johnnie had to wait on you? I'm sure he would just let it go ask Earl. :rolleyes:
 
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