This is what I miss

Fatboy said:
Look at the shot at 2:45 mins that Buddy shoots in this video(the 7 Ball). He gets straight and cheats the pocket, these pockets look like 5" pockets to me. With the tight pockets real tight these days cheating the pocket isnt as big of a part of the game as it was. I would love to see the slow cloth come back and bigger pockets.

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I was playing a money match and this shot came up, ( playing on 41/4 inc 9 ft ) Anyway i can make this shot no problem with my LD shafts but with a maple i have alot of trouble. I posted something along these lines in another thread not to long ago. Anyway it really does nt matter to me if it is slow or fast cloth, But i do think you have to stroke alot better for slow cloth. The better player might win more consistently on slower cloth.
 
What I miss

You can still make the shot he made , it's just harder the smaller the pocket gets. Watch the tape, he was stroking center ball and went inside out the last stroke to create a slight masse' on the ball.
I learned this shot off a Bert Kinnister tape {thanks Bert} I've shot it a thousand times in 15 years. I was watching an old match with Earl Strickland and he came with a huge shot when straight in on a ball and the announcers acted like they had no idea how he did it.
The first time I ever heard of it was listening to Jimmy Rempe in the early 70s , so I know most of them knew the shot.
He was calling it inside out or outside in , but in essence it is backhand English.
 
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I think because i am used to paying with LD shaft and with a maple im not adjusting to the squirt/throw. With a LD shaft i can aim to the right side of the pocket and and the spin thows it to the left thus making the cue ball hit the side rail and creating the english needed. But... I could be WAY off in how im describing this. For me it is just harder to make the shot with a maple shaft and im guessing it is because i am not used to maple shafts. Have not spent enough time with them.
 
book collector said:
You can still make the shot he made , it's just harder the smaller the pocket gets. Watch the tape, he was stroking center ball and went inside out the last stroke to create a slight masse' on the ball.
I learned this shot off a Bert Kinnister tape {thanks Bert} I've shot it a thousand times in 15 years. I was watching an old match with Earl Strickland and he came with a huge shot when straight in on a ball and the announcers acted like they had no idea how he did it.
The first time I ever heard of it was listening to Jimmy Rempe in the early 70s , so I know most of them knew the shot.
He was calling it inside out or outside in , but in essence it is backhand English.
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Yes, I have played a little at home with maple shaft and using bhe is the way to go with those shafts. It is pretty much swerving into the ball, I like how you explained it. Like i said i just need more time with maple. I am starting to think i like them better than LD. The feel is better, The only thing is shots like this and some others i have to get used to and change my angles. I was watching a few Bert Kinister vids on youtube just yesterday, He seems to be a very funny character.
 
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smoooothstroke said:
IMO that shot is available on a tight pocket table.
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I agree, because it appears their is a slight angle on the shot.

How many players would it "cripple" if pool ever went back to slow napped cloth?
I agree with , FB, I like to see players let their stroke out. Not much "power pool' any more.....It is mostly finesse.
 
There is an ancient pool hall in town with some balke collanders which I go to a couple times a month to play some 14.1

I feel like Irving Crane on those tables. If I could figure out a way to buy one without my wife finding out about it I'd do it.
 
Fatboy said:
Look at the shot at 2:45 mins that Buddy shoots in this video(the 7 Ball). He gets straight and cheats the pocket, these pockets look like 5" pockets to me. With the tight pockets real tight these days cheating the pocket isnt as big of a part of the game as it was. I would love to see the slow cloth come back and bigger pockets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2OzPBOSgH8
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Yes and no. With the bigger pockets it was not uncommon to cheat the pocket but catch the point with the cue ball, or even follow it in. With the smaller pocket it can be easier to get the cue ball to a rail and back in play. I tend to prefer the tighter pockets as long as they are fair. It is kind of six of one half a dozen of another.
 
I disagree with you Fatman!!!

I LOVE tight pockets and super fast cloth.

And that shot can be made on a tight table, just need to be more accurate.

Stop posting and go practice it :)
 
PocketPoint said:
I know Buddy doesn't like to use draw, but if you use draw on that shot and come off the opposite long rail, you can't get bad on the 8.
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I think another reason Buddy went the way he did is he likes to play shots more along the line of position rather than across it. He talks about this in one of his instructional articles on our mother site. Having said that, certainly in this situation even with drawing across the line of shape there was a lot of room for error. It's not like he had to get perfect on the 8 in order to get on the 9.
 
What I miss.
The days when two players matched up in a pool room and everyone whispered inbetween shots if they talked at all.

Sometimes you could hear the balls crushing the thick felt of the table rolling from one end of the table to the other.

The silence was golden. The respect was thick. The players hardly ever talked, all you heard from them was an occasional tap of the butt of the cue on the floor or a snap of the fingers for acknowledgement of a good shot.
 
I've seen the instructional video with Buddy Hall where he teaches BHE. He even insinuated that most top players use it by saying, "when WE apply English to the cue ball WE either twist or roll OUR wrist."

I can't remember the exact terms he used. I don't think it "pop" or "lock" but something like that.

Then there was a Kinister video where Bert had recently learned BHE and it was the most orgasmic I've ever seen him. "make the cue ball do a trick."

Johnny Archer was not a fan of BHE. "I'm totally against it!"

I use both BHE sometimes and parallel other times. I'm glad I learned both.
 
I know just what you're talking about, Fatboy. I have long been considering a slow cloth on my next recover. I think with the tight (4-3/8) pockets, it will be interesting. The game was very different with the slow cloth - a lot tougher getting position much of the time. Of course, that may just have been from the built-in suck factor of my game. Still, I may give it a try.
 
i really don't see why you miss it. There is really nothing that skilled in cheating huge 5 inches pockets. You can still cheat the pockets In the "tight" tables of today. I miss the old tables where down the rail you could hit the first diamond after the side pocket and still make the shot, yeah :rolleyes:
 
Slh said:
i really don't see why you miss it. There is really nothing that skilled in cheating huge 5 inches pockets. You can still cheat the pockets In the "tight" tables of today. I miss the old tables where down the rail you could hit the first diamond after the side pocket and still make the shot, yeah :rolleyes:
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I agree 100%.

Nothing worse than watching poorly hit balls go into huge buckets!!!

Get some skillz Fatman :)

Lets play some one pocket when you are in LA.

Russ...
 
junkbond said:
I know just what you're talking about, Fatboy. I have long been considering a slow cloth on my next recover. I think with the tight (4-3/8) pockets, it will be interesting. The game was very different with the slow cloth - a lot tougher getting position much of the time. Of course, that may just have been from the built-in suck factor of my game. Still, I may give it a try.
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You may want to rethink that. If you are talking about your home table you practice on you want a pretty fast table at least close to what you play on at the pool rooms. The reason being it is easy to adapt to a slower table from a fast table no problem. If you are used to a slow table though and have to go to a fast table, it will have you all over the place even to the point of being afraid to shoot. It could take you all night and you are still all over the place. Just something to think about.
 
Slow cloth???

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Don't know why anyone would like slow cloth...
..it's like putting on a green that aint been mowed.
The spin doesn't stay on very long...
..so it reduces your options.
How can that be good?

Don't care if pockets are 4.5 or 5 in.
But if they're smaller...you can afford to miss..and you have to play more
safeties..is this what you want pool to be like?
I've missed lots playing on trap snooker tables and still won the game.

I like pool to be fast and dangerous...
...IF YOU MISS...YOU LOSE
 
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