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Break cue weight - 10-04-2011, 08:32 PM

I have read a lot about which cue breaks best concerning weight.
Some say heavy-some say light. I recently bought a 19 oz break cue and thought it broke just OK. So I took out the weight bolt that was 2 oz and weighed the cue and now it is down to 16.10 oz.
Now it breaks like a cannon . I never thought that 2 oz would make a difference. Maybe a lighter break cue just fits my break stroke. But I can tell you the 2 oz bolt will stay in the drawer.


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10-04-2011, 11:32 PM

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I have read a lot about which cue breaks best concerning weight.
Some say heavy-some say light. I recently bought a 19 oz break cue and thought it broke just OK. So I took out the weight bolt that was 2 oz and weighed the cue and now it is down to 16.10 oz.
Now it breaks like a cannon . I never thought that 2 oz would make a difference. Maybe a lighter break cue just fits my break stroke. But I can tell you the 2 oz bolt will stay in the drawer.
I just made a post in a simular thread concerning jump/break cue weight. I had Bob Owen make my j/b cue the same weight as my Predator playing cue. My preferences changed I now prefer a much lighter cue. I removed the weight bolt from both & still would like them to be lighter. I use more technique now & less power in my break ( well less power sometimes LOL). That no longer requires the use of a sledgehammer to get the job done. I am looking to retool in the near future & will be focused on lighter cues.
I would like to bring my J/B cue weight down to about where your is now & my playing cue to around 17 oz. BTW both of my weight bolts are in a drawer on my dresser where they will remain till at such time as I may sell the cues.

I appreciate your post as it serves to reinforce my current line of thought on cue weight & shows others have found success with the adjustment. Have a good day, & as always,

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10-05-2011, 12:42 AM

I read on here about 2 years ago about how the top players and pro's shoot and break with the same weight(around 18ozs). I already was playing with a 18oz cue and took the weight bolt out of my Kiaser break cue and have never looked back. I've had 3 break cues since then and the bolts come right out. Never would've believed that I could smash them better with a lighter cue until I tried it.


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10-05-2011, 03:17 AM

it all comes down to technique. remember f=ma. if you can accellerate that tip into the CB with better technique with a light cue then you will transfer more energy into the rack. im still a fan of the heavier break cues. also im only 160 lbs.

another thought on technique. i found the balls to spread better when hitting off the side of the 1-ball(9 or 10 ball racks). its seems to let the rack open up and accelerate away from each other better. any thoughts on this?
  
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I have read a lot about which cue breaks best concerning weight.
Some say heavy-some say light. I recently bought a 19 oz break cue and thought it broke just OK. So I took out the weight bolt that was 2 oz and weighed the cue and now it is down to 16.10 oz.
Now it breaks like a cannon . I never thought that 2 oz would make a difference. Maybe a lighter break cue just fits my break stroke. But I can tell you the 2 oz bolt will stay in the drawer.
Same here..i used to use a 22.5 oz..then i went to a 18.5 oz and never
went back..can control the cue ball much better and my breaks are way more productive..SA


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10-05-2011, 07:13 AM

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I recently bought a 19 oz break cue and thought it broke just OK. So I took out the weight bolt that was 2 oz and weighed the cue and now it is down to 16.10 oz.
Must be some of that new math that they're teaching in Colorado !!!

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10-05-2011, 07:18 AM

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I have read a lot about which cue breaks best concerning weight.
Some say heavy-some say light. I recently bought a 19 oz break cue and thought it broke just OK. So I took out the weight bolt that was 2 oz and weighed the cue and now it is down to 16.10 oz.
Now it breaks like a cannon . I never thought that 2 oz would make a difference. Maybe a lighter break cue just fits my break stroke. But I can tell you the 2 oz bolt will stay in the drawer.
Here's a quote from my cue weight resource page:
For a break cue, the optimal weight (for maximum cue ball speed) will depend on your arm anatomy (the size and weights of the different parts of your arm) and muscle physiology (e.g., fast-twitch vs. slow-twitch muscle fiber dominance). The only way to find out the optimal weight for sure is to experiment. Cue weight isn't a question of just physics. Physiology also comes into play. Some people have more fast-twitch muscle fibers than others. Because of this, cue weight selection (just like baseball bat weight selection) can be a very personal thing. The only way to get fast CB speed is to hit the ball with enough cue momentum (mass * speed). Some people can generate more momentum with a lighter cue, and some can generate more with a heavier cue.
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10-05-2011, 10:18 AM

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Must be some of that new math that they're teaching in Colorado !!!

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I turned the math backwards. The cue wieghs 16.90 oz.!
And the water is still $1.00.
Thanks for pointing out my math error.


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Here's a quote from my cue weight resource page:
For a break cue, the optimal weight (for maximum cue ball speed) will depend on your arm anatomy (the size and weights of the different parts of your arm) and muscle physiology (e.g., fast-twitch vs. slow-twitch muscle fiber dominance). The only way to find out the optimal weight for sure is to experiment. Cue weight isn't a question of just physics. Physiology also comes into play. Some people have more fast-twitch muscle fibers than others. Because of this, cue weight selection (just like baseball bat weight selection) can be a very personal thing. The only way to get fast CB speed is to hit the ball with enough cue momentum (mass * speed). Some people can generate more momentum with a lighter cue, and some can generate more with a heavier cue.
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im sorry but i disagree
no major league pitcher or anyone else can throw a lead ball faster than
a baseball i dont care what there ratio to fast/slow twitch muscle fiber they have

but i do think there are two different possibilities

its possible that some shaft flex can create some rebound effect like strings on a tennis racket

OR

some people need or are bennifited by the weightier cue helping them keep a good pendulum effect on there stroke to not lose control in the quest of speed

the only way to prove either of us right or wrong would be an iron willie style machine like the deflection ones BUT powered by latex surgical tubing to represent muscle fiber instead of a pnumatic cylinder so when predator makes this it was our idea and they owe you and me a break cue
cause we were bouncing theories around

i do agree with you weight alone isnt the only consideration for everyone
  
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10-05-2011, 08:33 PM

I've read all the explanations on break cue weight vs speed.Fast twitch muscles and so on. All I can say is that when I removed the 2 oz bolt out of my break cue the balls broke open much better. Even Cuesblues (Ted) noticed the difference from when he broke with it before and after the weight change.Now we are both a couple of old guys (60+)so I would imagine we don't have the arm speed or strength of much younger players.
So maybe a lighter cue is better for us.


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I've read all the explanations on break cue weight vs speed.Fast twitch muscles and so on. All I can say is that when I removed the 2 oz bolt out of my break cue the balls broke open much better. Even Cuesblues (Ted) noticed the difference from when he broke with it before and after the weight change.Now we are both a couple of old guys (60+)so I would imagine we don't have the arm speed or strength of much younger players.
So maybe a lighter cue is better for us.
I'm 62. When I bought my Orange Crusher I had Mike make it 18 1/2 oz. I like it all right, seem to break well with it, but I just don't play blast-break rotation games much, it at all, any more.


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what about tip size - 10-05-2011, 08:45 PM

Seems to me that a 14mm would be easier to hit the cue ball at higher speeds. Im going to 22-24oz cause I think I can move it pretty good . Ive been testing other people break cues and heavier is better for me, I was useing a 18 oz break cue and my reg cue is 19.25. been borrowing a 22.5 with a 14mm tip and ssems to just explode the rack.


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10-05-2011, 08:58 PM

My cue has a 14mm shaft and a hard leather tip.


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Its pretty much your stroke-that decides your break speed!
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Exclamation Its pretty much your stroke-that decides your break speed! - 10-06-2011, 12:17 AM

The new break tips- will give you extra speed for free! put a Joe picone break tip, Samsara whatever!! g-10. Its like boxing -sp= power. The older straight Pool players know how to just stop the stroke- punch style- and break the rack apart. You can hear the difference all around the pool hall!! And the break tips play good shape because the tips do hold chalk!! mark and yes I've run the tips through the speed trap- to prove faster speeds.

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Seems to me that a 14mm would be easier to hit the cue ball at higher speeds. Im going to 22-24oz cause I think I can move it pretty good . Ive been testing other people break cues and heavier is better for me, I was useing a 18 oz break cue and my reg cue is 19.25. been borrowing a 22.5 with a 14mm tip and ssems to just explode the rack.
I've had a 24 oz. Joss Boss for years and have used it on and off. It breaks well but after long periods of play it does get heavy!


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