Mosconi Never Hustled?

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but...but...but...

" Mosconi, for instance, who was born in Philadelphia in 1913, was able to start as a mere tot, since his father owned a five-table hall and the family lived on the floor above. He became, as he says, "a child protege," and at seven was playing exhibitions at English Tommy's, one of the city's leading rooms, against a girl of his own age named Ruth McGinnis. Later on he gave exhibitions in towns near Philadelphia. When he was 16 his father became ill, Willie lost his job as an upholsterer's assistant and to support the family turned perforce to pool hustling or, as it is also known, sharking bets. "


"....Willie's chief asset in sharking was his youth and his delicate, blue-eyed (his mother was a Reilly) look of a Raphael angel: it was hard for the older, more experienced customers to imagine that this cherub could hold his own. But he could. One night in Philadelphia, in a game of One Ball beginning at 10 p.m. and ending at 7 a.m., he convinced a sport called Fatty Pincus by relieving him of a wrist watch, a diamond ring and $900. "

source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1129513/1/index.htm
from Page 2 paragraph 4
 

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but...but...but...

" Mosconi, for instance, who was born in Philadelphia in 1913, was able to start as a mere tot, since his father owned a five-table hall and the family lived on the floor above. He became, as he says, "a child protege," and at seven was playing exhibitions at English Tommy's, one of the city's leading rooms, against a girl of his own age named Ruth McGinnis. Later on he gave exhibitions in towns near Philadelphia. When he was 16 his father became ill, Willie lost his job as an upholsterer's assistant and to support the family turned perforce to pool hustling or, as it is also known, sharking bets. "


"....Willie's chief asset in sharking was his youth and his delicate, blue-eyed (his mother was a Reilly) look of a Raphael angel: it was hard for the older, more experienced customers to imagine that this cherub could hold his own. But he could. One night in Philadelphia, in a game of One Ball beginning at 10 p.m. and ending at 7 a.m., he convinced a sport called Fatty Pincus by relieving him of a wrist watch, a diamond ring and $900. "

source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1129513/1/index.htm
from Page 2 paragraph 4

That just means he beat the man for money and jewelry, not neccesarily hustling. Hustling, to me, means decieving your opponent that you're not as good as you really are.
 

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According to Willie's Game (Autobiograph with Stanley Cohen 1993) Willie was involved in "hustling" Jackie Gleason. Toots Shor knew Jackie well and Jackie fancied himself a great pool player. According to Willie, he could run 40 or 50. Toots arranged a game between Willie and Jackie (not telling Jackie who Willie really was) and no matter what the bet, Willie kicked his butt. Toots said to Jackie, meet Willie Mosconi!!. They all had a good laugh at the end, and Jackie got to keep his money.
 

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According to Willie's Game (Autobiograph with Stanley Cohen 1993) Willie was involved in "hustling" Jackie Gleason. Toots Shor knew Jackie well and Jackie fancied himself a great pool player. According to Willie, he could run 40 or 50. Toots arranged a game between Willie and Jackie (not telling Jackie who Willie really was) and no matter what the bet, Willie kicked his butt. Toots said to Jackie, meet Willie Mosconi!!. They all had a good laugh at the end, and Jackie got to keep his money.

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That just means he beat the man for money and jewelry, not neccesarily hustling. Hustling, to me, means decieving your opponent that you're not as good as you really are.

the "innocent newbie act" doesnt count as duping someone?:

" Willie's chief asset in sharking was his youth and his delicate, blue-eyed look of a Raphael angel: it was hard for the older, more experienced customers to imagine that this cherub could hold his own "


i'm not trying to diss willie's legacy or something silly like that, its just that i've heard people adamantly preach that he never ever ever ever ever played for money... etc etc yadda yadaa
 

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the "innocent newbie act" doesnt count as duping someone?:

" Willie's chief asset in sharking was his youth and his delicate, blue-eyed look of a Raphael angel: it was hard for the older, more experienced customers to imagine that this cherub could hold his own "


i'm not trying to diss willie's legacy or something silly like that, its just that i've heard people adamantly preach that he never ever ever ever ever played for money... etc etc yadda yadaa

How did he act like a newbie? What was he supposed to do, tell his opponent precisely what his speed was before the match including his high run and a list of players he's beaten?
 

Masayoshi

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According to Willie's Game (Autobiograph with Stanley Cohen 1993) Willie was involved in "hustling" Jackie Gleason. Toots Shor knew Jackie well and Jackie fancied himself a great pool player. According to Willie, he could run 40 or 50. Toots arranged a game between Willie and Jackie (not telling Jackie who Willie really was) and no matter what the bet, Willie kicked his butt. Toots said to Jackie, meet Willie Mosconi!!. They all had a good laugh at the end, and Jackie got to keep his money.

I wonder if Gleason asked him "Who do you think you are, Willie Mosconi?"
 
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